Re: BOM rule - was:: Ready-made VP at World Champs

From: William Gowen <wdgowen_at_gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2018 11:06:26 -0500

The WC is starting in about 2 weeks. It needs to be discussed whether it
was your intention or not.

On Tue, Mar 6, 2018 at 10:47 AM, simon bargery bargerysimon_at_gmail.com
[Indoor_Construction] <Indoor_Construction_at_yahoogroups.com> wrote:

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>
> Bill
> I really wanted to pull the discussion away from the WC situation.
> We have no jurisdiction as a Yahoo group on the regs as written or their
> interpretation.
>
> If we can discuss the implications, thoughts, feelings and future on the
> group as a pure discussion where views can be aired, I think we all stand
> to gain some insight.
>
> Mike's suggestion to constrain the discussion to F1D is a good one.
> Although I see F1N is now FIA recognised.
>
> Best regards
> Simon
> ​
>
> On 6 March 2018 at 15:36, William Gowen wdgowen_at_gmail.com
> [Indoor_Construction] <Indoor_Construction_at_yahoogroups.com> wrote:
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>> The World Champs is not the place for this issue to be decided. If people
>> wanted to ban bought hubs the rules should have been clarified long before
>> now. How many people coming to West Baden are going to be at risk of
>> disqualification? My guess is a lot.
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 6, 2018 at 10:20 AM, Mike and Marelet Kirda
>> mkirda_at_sbcglobal.net [Indoor_Construction] <Indoor_Construction_at_yahoogrou
>> ps.com> wrote:
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>>>
>>> Hi Simon..
>>>
>>> Rather than focus on F1N, let's keep it at F1D as that is what sparked
>>> this conversation.
>>>
>>> F1D kit - Yes, of course they would be allowed, assuming that the kit
>>> supplied balsa and covering and such and the parts had to be built. A fully
>>> put together and covered model that the modeler had to plug in the wings,
>>> stab and prop would not be considered 'building'.
>>>
>>> Harlan bearing, yes, of course.
>>> Use of carbon rod, yes, of course. (We don't need to grow our own balsa
>>> trees.)
>>>
>>> Where does one draw the line?
>>>
>>> Somewhere between a Harlan bearing and a fully assembled VP mechanism is
>>> where I would draw it.
>>>
>>> I can see a VP kit being allowable as the modeler would still need to
>>> build it, glue parts together and such.
>>> I can see unfinished carbon prop blades being allowable.
>>> I can even see unfinished carbon tubes meant for fuselages being
>>> allowable.
>>>
>>> Regards.
>>> Mike Kirda
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, March 6, 2018 3:17 AM, "simon bargery bargerysimon_at_gmail.com
>>> [Indoor_Construction]" <Indoor_Construction_at_yahoogroups.com> wrote:
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>>>
>>> Good day group.
>>> The comments on this purchased VP aspect make interesting reading.
>>> They seem centred around the general 'Builder of Model' rule.
>>>
>>> Would you consider someone buying and building a kit is the builder of
>>> the model??
>>> I doubt if F1D kits will ever become available, but if they did, would
>>> they be against the BOM rule?
>>>
>>> There are F1N kits about - can they be purchased, built and flown and
>>> still comply with the BOM rule?
>>>
>>> A lot can depend on the definition of 'building' a plane, and whether
>>> all components must be 'built' too...
>>>
>>> If I use a carbon tube for a wing post will I need to have made it
>>> myself from carbon cloth?
>>> Do I need to weave the cloth from tow?
>>>
>>> Are Harlan type bearings allowed?
>>>
>>> I think there are various interpretations of this rule around, supported
>>> by various opinions.
>>> It's not particularly clear what the intent is.
>>>
>>> Quite possibly the intent is a simple as preventing a team using one
>>> model for all members.
>>> The addition of a number on the model does indicate that the organisers
>>> want to be able to tell who it 'belongs to'.
>>> One flier could have several models with the same number on them.
>>>
>>> This is a discussion group, can we discuss the various opinions?
>>>
>>> --
>>> Best regards
>>>
>>> Simon Bargery
>>>
>>>
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> --
> Best regards
>
> Simon Bargery
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