Re: What Goes Around Comes Around

From: William Gowen <wdgowen_at_gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2018 18:41:43 -0500

Jake
It hasn't happened yet. I hope it's true that the proposals will go away
but vigilance is a good idea until that happens.

On Jan 8, 2018 6:36 PM, "Jake Palmer 82.jake_at_gmail.com
[Indoor_Construction]" <Indoor_Construction_at_yahoogroups.com> wrote:

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> Perhaps this hasn't been advertised well enough and loud enough.
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> *THESE PROPOSALS ARE GOING TO BE WITHDRAWN*
>
> They were made in error as general rules proposals. They were intended to
> be proposals for outdoor free flight. I continue to see conversations
> here, on Facebook, on Hippocket, and private messages directly to me from
> people in the district I represent. While I appreciate all the enthusiasm,
> this doesn't need to be discussed further.
>
> On Mon, Jan 8, 2018 at 3:18 PM, Chris pseshooter3d_at_yahoo.com
> [Indoor_Construction] <Indoor_Construction_at_yahoogroups.com> wrote:
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>> Tom, thank you for the historical perspective. I haven’t been playing
>> this game nearly long enough to have been part of those days, so take my
>> comments for what they are worth.
>>
>> At the contests I have attended, it seems like most people usually end up
>> flying against a record, whether it be national, a site record, or even a
>> personal best. F1D might be the exception to that, as I have witnessed
>> some pretty great competitive F1D flying.
>>
>> I can’t speak for everyone else here, but I don’t think anyone is saying
>> we have to fly all of the established events at every contest. Rather the
>> idea is that if this rule proposal is adopted into the books, the records
>> for the vast majority of events will no longer be kept. The way I
>> interpret the situation is then there would be no more records for those
>> events, and thus flyers would have nothing to fly against, and those events
>> would be effectively dead.
>>
>> If we want to keep flying for records in events such as AROG, EZB, A6,
>> Autogiro, IHLS, Manhattan Cabin, Ornithopter, etc, we should not accept any
>> rule that discards them from the record books.
>>
>> That said, I definitely don’t support this rule change, and doubt many
>> other AMA flyers would either, as it affects ALL aspects of aero modeling
>> that are sanctioned by AMA.
>>
>> CG
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jan 8, 2018, at 5:27 PM, Thomas Finch tomfinch2_at_hotmail.com
>> [Indoor_Construction] <Indoor_Construction_at_yahoogroups.com> wrote:
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>> Harking back to the early 60's, There were six main indoor classes: AROG,
>> B, C and D stick and B and C cabin. Helicopter and Autogyro plus ROW were
>> also there but very seldom flown. FAI stick was really a subset of D and
>> Wally Miller had just come up with easy B which was being flown locally in
>> SoCal. The Nats just flew Stick and Cabin but those of us who were active
>> really competed against the records. A group spearheaded by Bud Tenney
>> decided that there were too many classes and lobbied AMA to cut down the
>> number. The only reason they really came up with was that it took too
>> much effort by HQ to keep up with all the records. At that time, Frank
>> Ehling was Technical Director and he assured me that it really wasn't any
>> trouble at all. Anyway they won and a bunch of classes were eliminated.
>> Here we are again almost 50 years later and the situation sounds awfully
>> similar. Leave the less popular classes in for those who want to compete
>> against the record.
>>
>> Tom Finch
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