Gary,
The point of the two minute max is simple. It prevents guys like you and me
from doing three and four minutes and making the event completely
inaccessible to the beginner. Do you see many raw beginners flying EZB or
A-6? Both examples of Beginner events that have been thoroughly and
inexorably ruined for the beginner.
Ron Williams points out that all this is "bullshit" and that everything is
just fine and we should just make a new beginner event every time an old
one gets taken over by the experts. What I am humbly trying to suggest on
this iteration we make a beginner event that can stay a beginner event.
We've been doing it the other way for at least forty years. Why not try
something different?
By the way, is this the same Ron Williams whose book I read as a kid, read
so many times it was in tatters? And then got a hole puncher and collated
the pages in a binder? If so, it's an honor to converse with you, Sir.
Bill C
On Jun 18, 2016 9:53 PM, "Warthodson_at_aol.com [Indoor_Construction]" <
Indoor_Construction_at_yahoogroups.com> wrote:
>
>
> Bill,
> I am not "all worked up" about the tie thing. I am simply stating my
> opinion that a 2 min. Max makes P-18 a pointless event.
> You say: "If a flyer wants to get credit for flights over two minutes they
> can, in LPP." This does not in any way change the pointlessness of the 2
> min. max P-18 event.
>
> Also, if the purpose of the 2 Min Max P-18 event is the encourage
> beginners & discourage experienced fliers why are you going to fly it? You
> are certainly an experienced flyer?
> I am done discussing this.
>
> Gary Hodson
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: William Carney wcarneyjx_at_gmail.com [Indoor_Construction] <
> Indoor_Construction_at_yahoogroups.com>
> To: Indoor_Construction <Indoor_Construction_at_yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Sat, Jun 18, 2016 6:01 pm
> Subject: Re: [Indoor_Construction] Re: P-18 vs. AMA WS
>
>
> Gary,
> Sure, I'll fly P-18. I even designed a model that meets the provisional
> rules. It'll do two minutes most of the time, but not always. In the hands
> of beginners I don't see the whole field maxing out. Sure, I'll max out and
> put it away and tell any kid who ties me they get free bag of stripped
> rubber in the size of their choice or a kit or whatever.
> I can tell this tie thing really has you worked up. I'm sure I can explain
> what I am suggesting better. There don't have to be any ties. If a tie is
> so abhorrent to anyone they can place last in LPP instead of tieing for
> first in P-18. If they want to do better in LPP then they build real LPP
> and the hook is truly set by then.
> Bill C
> On Jun 17, 2016 4:19 PM, "Warthodson_at_aol.com [Indoor_Construction]" <
> Indoor_Construction_at_yahoogroups.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> That does not solve anything. It is still a pointless event. I have been
>> trying to think of an other event where the best you can do is tie. So far
>> I can't think of one. Monopoly, Ping-Pong, foot race, crocket, SO, spelling
>> bee, dodge ball.
>> Bill, will you be flying P-18?
>> Gary Hodson
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: William Carney wcarneyjx_at_gmail.com [Indoor_Construction] <
>> Indoor_Construction_at_yahoogroups.com>
>> To: Indoor_Construction <Indoor_Construction_at_yahoogroups.com>
>> Sent: Fri, Jun 17, 2016 3:44 pm
>> Subject: Re: [Indoor_Construction] Re: P-18 vs. AMA WS
>>
>>
>> Gary,
>>
>> I probably never fully explained my proposal. I was too busy having to
>> explain what a beginner gets out of a beginner event. My proposal includes
>> a provision that if the flyer gets a flight of more then two minutes they
>> can score that flight in LPP. What this does is provide a framework for
>> them to get to be able to do two minutes with a P-18. Once they can do that
>> consistently buy are getting beat in LPP they'll have motivation to build a
>> LPP.
>>
>> Bill C
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 5:32 PM, Warthodson_at_aol.com
>> [Indoor_Construction] <Indoor_Construction_at_yahoogroups.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I have been reading all the messages on the P-18 vs. SO subject & I
>>> have only one strong opinion: A 2 minute MAX creates a pointless event & I
>>> think even a beginner would agree.
>>> Gary Hodson
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
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