Translation: Keep Indoor Small.
Right?
How small is too small?
DD
> On Mar 14, 2016, at 5:46 PM, Chris pseshooter3d_at_yahoo.com [Indoor_Construction] <Indoor_Construction_at_yahoogroups.com> wrote:
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> For what it's worth, it isn't hard to fly with long motors and sleeves. And Bill has posted EXACTLY how to do it on the HPA forums. Honestly, with the internet connecting fliers from around the world, it has become rather easy to progress at a fair clip along the indoor learning curve.
>
> Step one, pick an event.
> Step two, read everything you can about that event.
> Step three, download the winning indoor designs 2005 from INAV online
> Step four, pick a plan for that event and build it EXACTLY as dictated on the plan.
> Step five, fly the model. Take detailed notes of EVERYTHING during your flights. I note model trim settings, prop size and pitch, motor length and weight, turns in, turns off, flight time, turns left, prop rpm.
> Step six, post your flight data in the appropriate place on HPA. Listen to the advice given. Repeat steps 5 and 6, and sometimes 4 if you don't like your model.
>
> It honestly isn't hard to get decent at indoor quickly. I have found the only thing that has prevented me from climbing the learning curve as quickly as I might have is that when I first started, I thought I knew what I was talking about, so didn't always heed advice given.
>
> If you copy an expert's program (for lack of better term) you should see similar results. You probably won't beat that expert, but will learn a lot about what works and why it works.
>
> But the real secret to indoor is to make the most out of every flight session so that you learn something about your model, and be meticulous in note taking and data recording. It is called dedication, and you will notice above all the experts are dedicated. They don't throw a model together, fly it, and if it doesn't perform as expected keep doing the same things over and over. They are dedicated to getting performance. To call someone an expert as a derogatory does a huge disservice to the amount of time and dedication (there is that word again) needed to successfully compete in indoor duration flying. Bottom line is that making planes that weigh less than a few aspirin tablets fly for a long time isn't easy.
>
> Ok, ranting over. I just get tired of hearing about how we need to make this easier for beginners. It's like golf. The game is just plain difficult to be great at. That is why it uses handicaps and different rankings for competition. I have posted before about something similar for indoor. If anyone is interested, I will gladly (shoot myself for saying this) participate in a committee to develop a set of ranking benchmarks for competitive purposes so that beginners can compete on a more level playing field. There, I put my money where my mouth is. I have offered to do more than talk, argue, and what not. Now, who wants to help in this endeavor?
>
> Chris
>
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>
>> On Mar 14, 2016, at 7:17 PM, William Gowen wdgowen_at_gmail.com [Indoor_Construction] <Indoor_Construction_at_yahoogroups.com> wrote:
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>>
>> I'm sure it's fruitless to make any sense out of your A6 comments. If you want to fly A6 with short motors and no sleeves and continue to lose then more power to you!
>>
>>> On Mon, Mar 14, 2016 at 6:42 PM, Don DeLoach ddeloach_at_comcast.net [Indoor_Construction] <Indoor_Construction_at_yahoogroups.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Good question Manuel. I think the rules pretty tight, with the exception
>>> of the hook-to-hook length. A length of 10" was proposed to AMA so that
>>> the models could also double as LPPs...but the older P-18 plans and kits
>>> (McGrath's from the 2015 Nats) still have this length around 12". This
>>> will have to be resolved as there are lots of models in circulation with
>>> the length over 10". At the PPCC most were still using the longer length.
>>>
>>> Experts are going to exploit this event the same way they exploit
>>> A-6--by using the longest possible loops of 5/99 and 3/02 Tan II, and by
>>> using anti-bunching sleeves on the front and rear hooks. Yawn.
>>>
>>> Probably the only way to keep it a novice event is to prohibit experts
>>> from flying it. A rubber weight maximum would eliminate the sleeves but
>>> it would just place a premium on 5/99 and winding techniques.
>>>
>>> My unvarnished opinion.
>>>
>>> DD
>>>
>>> On 3/14/2016 1:32 PM, Manuel Cisneros manuel.cisneros_at_oracle.com
>>> [freeflightml] wrote:
>>> > Don, so was there any insight from the P-18 inaugural event? I know
>>> > it's probably too early to tell but did any themes show up in the models
>>> > or the way they flew/were flown? Any thoughts on how this event might
>>> > move forward as a beginner's event and how to try to keep it as a
>>> > beginner's event?
>>> >
>>> > Manuel.
>>> >
>>> > On 3/12/2016 1:59 PM, Don DeLoach ddeloach_at_comcast.net [freeflightml] wrote:
>>> > >
>>> > > The most popular events were P-18 with 8 flyers, Limited Pennyplane with
>>> > > 7, and Towline and No-cal with 6 each. Isn't it interesting how quickly
>>> > > P-18 has caught on?
>>> > >
>>> > > Jace Pivonka topped the very competitive 8-man field in P-18 with an
>>> > > awesome 2:10. His backup flight of 2:09 would also have placed first.
>>> > >
>>> >
>>> >
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