You need help.
On Mar 16, 2016 9:19 PM, "Don DeLoach ddeloach_at_comcast.net
[Indoor_Construction]" <Indoor_Construction_at_yahoogroups.com> wrote:
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> Translation: Keep Indoor Small.
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> Right?
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> How small is too small?
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> DD
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> On Mar 14, 2016, at 5:46 PM, Chris pseshooter3d_at_yahoo.com
> [Indoor_Construction] <Indoor_Construction_at_yahoogroups.com> wrote:
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> For what it's worth, it isn't hard to fly with long motors and sleeves.
> And Bill has posted EXACTLY how to do it on the HPA forums. Honestly, with
> the internet connecting fliers from around the world, it has become rather
> easy to progress at a fair clip along the indoor learning curve.
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> Step one, pick an event.
> Step two, read everything you can about that event.
> Step three, download the winning indoor designs 2005 from INAV online
> Step four, pick a plan for that event and build it EXACTLY as dictated on
> the plan.
> Step five, fly the model. Take detailed notes of EVERYTHING during your
> flights. I note model trim settings, prop size and pitch, motor length and
> weight, turns in, turns off, flight time, turns left, prop rpm.
> Step six, post your flight data in the appropriate place on HPA. Listen
> to the advice given. Repeat steps 5 and 6, and sometimes 4 if you don't
> like your model.
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> It honestly isn't hard to get decent at indoor quickly. I have found the
> only thing that has prevented me from climbing the learning curve as
> quickly as I might have is that when I first started, I thought I knew what
> I was talking about, so didn't always heed advice given.
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> If you copy an expert's program (for lack of better term) you should see
> similar results. You probably won't beat that expert, but will learn a lot
> about what works and why it works.
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> But the real secret to indoor is to make the most out of every flight
> session so that you learn something about your model, and be meticulous in
> note taking and data recording. It is called dedication, and you will
> notice above all the experts are dedicated. They don't throw a model
> together, fly it, and if it doesn't perform as expected keep doing the same
> things over and over. They are dedicated to getting performance. To call
> someone an expert as a derogatory does a huge disservice to the amount of
> time and dedication (there is that word again) needed to successfully
> compete in indoor duration flying. Bottom line is that making planes that
> weigh less than a few aspirin tablets fly for a long time isn't easy.
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> Ok, ranting over. I just get tired of hearing about how we need to make
> this easier for beginners. It's like golf. The game is just plain
> difficult to be great at. That is why it uses handicaps and different
> rankings for competition. I have posted before about something similar for
> indoor. If anyone is interested, I will gladly (shoot myself for saying
> this) participate in a committee to develop a set of ranking benchmarks for
> competitive purposes so that beginners can compete on a more level playing
> field. There, I put my money where my mouth is. I have offered to do more
> than talk, argue, and what not. Now, who wants to help in this endeavor?
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> Chris
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> Sent from my iPhone
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> On Mar 14, 2016, at 7:17 PM, William Gowen wdgowen_at_gmail.com
> [Indoor_Construction] <Indoor_Construction_at_yahoogroups.com> wrote:
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> I'm sure it's fruitless to make any sense out of your A6 comments. If you
> want to fly A6 with short motors and no sleeves and continue to lose then
> more power to you!
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> On Mon, Mar 14, 2016 at 6:42 PM, Don DeLoach ddeloach_at_comcast.net
> [Indoor_Construction] <Indoor_Construction_at_yahoogroups.com> wrote:
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>> Good question Manuel. I think the rules pretty tight, with the exception
>> of the hook-to-hook length. A length of 10" was proposed to AMA so that
>> the models could also double as LPPs...but the older P-18 plans and kits
>> (McGrath's from the 2015 Nats) still have this length around 12". This
>> will have to be resolved as there are lots of models in circulation with
>> the length over 10". At the PPCC most were still using the longer length.
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>> Experts are going to exploit this event the same way they exploit
>> A-6--by using the longest possible loops of 5/99 and 3/02 Tan II, and by
>> using anti-bunching sleeves on the front and rear hooks. Yawn.
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>> Probably the only way to keep it a novice event is to prohibit experts
>> from flying it. A rubber weight maximum would eliminate the sleeves but
>> it would just place a premium on 5/99 and winding techniques.
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>> My unvarnished opinion.
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>> DD
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>> On 3/14/2016 1:32 PM, Manuel Cisneros manuel.cisneros_at_oracle.com
>> [freeflightml] wrote:
>> > Don, so was there any insight from the P-18 inaugural event? I know
>> > it's probably too early to tell but did any themes show up in the models
>> > or the way they flew/were flown? Any thoughts on how this event might
>> > move forward as a beginner's event and how to try to keep it as a
>> > beginner's event?
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>> > Manuel.
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>> > On 3/12/2016 1:59 PM, Don DeLoach ddeloach_at_comcast.net [freeflightml]
>> wrote:
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>> > > The most popular events were P-18 with 8 flyers, Limited Pennyplane
>> with
>> > > 7, and Towline and No-cal with 6 each. Isn't it interesting how
>> quickly
>> > > P-18 has caught on?
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>> > > Jace Pivonka topped the very competitive 8-man field in P-18 with an
>> > > awesome 2:10. His backup flight of 2:09 would also have placed first.
>> > >
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