Re: Non Boron??

From: Max Zaluska <flyezb_at_yahoo.com>
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 02:42:07 -0000

Spot on, keeping track of it is key. Things which may help are working
on a white surface or small closed area/space. If a piece springs off
somewhere.. I have found wide paper/masking tape to help find the
little piece, many times then none the tape will pick up any other
piece which may have flown off.. I think it would be tough to build
the fuselage of an F1D without boron.. I mean unless you plan on mass
producing these models, which I doubt, you will learn how to handle
the boron as well as keep track of it all.

Max

--- In Indoor_Construction_at_yahoogroups.com, "Mark" <f1diddler@...> wrote:
>
> --- In Indoor_Construction_at_yahoogroups.com, "gertjanvanwezel"
> <gertjanvanwezel_at_> wrote:
> >
> > Hello people .
> >
> > I want to now if it is possible to make a F1D without boron??
> > Because it,s very dangeres stuff i have read .
> > So is it possible to make a plane for a low sealing hal??
> > Please send me so drawings and note's.
> > thanks GJ from holland
>
>
> Boron is dangerous if and when you lose track of any of it. And it's
> pretty easy to lose track, since boron strand is .003 or .004",
> springy, and shatters. If you get a splinter into skin, the body
> will NOT reject it with a normal inflammation or infection site, but
> the splinter can migrate until it hits a (sometimes sub epidermal)
> nerve, and then you know it's there somewhere, and have a bigger
> problem (digging it out.) Usually (thankfully) you will sense a
> splinter immediately, but not always. Some modelers (at least Erv
> Rodemsky)have claimed boron splinters have migrated up to the other
> side of foot, after a long time.
>
> Boron use also has a moral component. Who knows if or how much boron
> shards I have left in the carpet of motel rooms where I did model
> repairs (or original building!) try as I did to capture or control
> all shards(with scotch tape.) Also questionable to leave a boroned
> model hung up in rafters, inaccessible to modeler, but someone will
> probably have to deal with model, some day. OF course not much
> choice after the fact.
>
> > So is it possible to make a plane for a low sealing hal??
> > Please send me so drawings and note's.
> > thanks GJ from holland
>
> Yes, it is possible to make a non boroned F1d. I have posted a plan
> in our FILES section, look folder "Build these Models" then click
> file "F1d Fliagra". Nothing special about design--it is only "low
> ceiling" because of my preference for smallish props for Cat 1
> flying. (Does regular 27 minutes in 22 ft ceiling.)
>
> Anyhow, F1d wings spars do not have to have boron. Of course without
> boron you should increase spar height, to aproximately .095" X .033.
> For low ceiling flying, IMO, neither is boron so necessary on
> motorstick. Several of mine do not have any boron, at the same or
> similar weight. For tailbooms, however, boron is especially useful,
> that is if you want a good weight and stability-of-straightness (or
> to "stay" curved, whichever.) But you could accept a weight
> increase, and use (I suppose) about .011" or maybe .012" wood
> (instead of .009") for tailboom, and it should fly fine, just
> probably .040g or so overweight. If you are flying fixed pitch prop,
> that could offset the extra wood weights you need in avoiding boron.
> To get sense about relative wood sizes/weights, find J. Kagan's
> plan "Eidelon," or "Idle-on" or something like that. :^)
>
> BTW, I plan on building a 100% hobbyshop wood, F1d, no boron, along
> the same concept of "Hobbyshopper EZB." May cost only 75-100mg
> extra, I believe, with VP. And will probably be more difficult to
> build than having better materials, and therefore not so practical.
> Mark F1diddler
>
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