Re: Re: FAI Steering//Editorial

From: <vhacker_at_pol.net>
Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 21:49:35 -0400 (EDT)

Bump the plane. Two second penalty, Prop slowed to 20rpm is not
propelling the model, Hence essentially ineffective Equals PROP STOP All
steering should be DEDUCTED> IMprobbale to judge altitude gain at 35+n
meters. Is it time to limit the pole lenght. Steering from the balcony is
agross violation of good [democratic]sportmansship NUTS Hack

> The solution to the steering bit is quite easy.ALL STEERING time will be
> deducted from the flight time. This would help eliminate the socalled
> questrionable steers And all steering should be done from the floor. No
> baconies Hack
>
>> I see the point, but touching the boom between the wing and stab is
>> not the Leading edge of the stab and altitude can be gained by turning
>> the model by the boom and holding it into the drift. Also the rule
>> clearly states the front of the model, I pole steer a lot by catching
>> the plane behind the prop just like a balloon steer and have no
>> problems even at over 30', you let the plane fly onto the pole just
>> like with a balloon string.
>>
>> A comment on the drift in the site would be appreciated by us who have
>> not flown there.
>>
>> Fred Tellier
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Nick Aikman
>> To: Indoor_Construction_at_yahoogroups.com
>> Sent: Monday, September 10, 2007 8:09 AM
>> Subject: [Indoor_Construction] Re: FAI Steering//Editorial
>>
>>
>> I was at the Team Managers briefing and this was the interpretation
>> of the rules given for the Euro Champs. I think that next year will
>> have the same organisers, so they assume that the same
>> interpretations will probably apply. The organisers/Jury felt that
>> the critical factor should be that the models should not be given
>> additional forward impetus and hence lift. Seems reasonable to me, the
>> rule was the same for all.
>>
>> Many of the top Europeans are very adept at pole steering. The
>> Hungarians, Lutz for Germany and the Romanians are all masters at it
>> and often tap the wing or tail leading edges or the stick assembly to
>> change direction with carbon poles up to 11 metres long. In
>> addition, a balcony on one side of the hall gave an extra 12 feet or
>> so to pole length if the model was near enough.
>>
>> Apart from GBR, not many of the Europeans enjoy or feel comfortable
>> with a balloon and many flights came to grief or lost a lot of
>> altitude when steered that way.
>>
>> Nick.
>>
>> --- In Indoor_Construction_at_yahoogroups.com, "Fred Tellier" <fred-
>> tellier_at_...> wrote:
>> >
>> > What I don't understand is the statement that this interpretation
>> of the rules will be used at the WC in 2008, I don't care about the
>> ruling as such but deciding that it will be done at a WC is beyond the
>> scope of the Euro Champs organizers and jury. I would think that the
>> WC jury might be the ones who should rule on this at the WC.
>> > I can't even relate to why this would come up unless they are
>> thinking of pole steering as Bill Gowen mentioned in his post.
>> >
>> > Fred Tellier
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: Mark
>> > To: Indoor_Construction_at_yahoogroups.com
>> > Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2007 3:51 PM
>> > Subject: [Indoor_Construction] FAI Steering//Editorial
>> >
>> >
>> > --- In Indoor_Construction_at_yahoogroups.com, "Slobodan Midic"
>> <slomi_at_> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > In the FAI Sporting code, 4, Vol F1, point 3.4.7 a)
>> > under "Steering", second
>> > > sentence, write: " ...all steering shall be done from the
>> front end
>> > > of the model and never from behind."
>> > >
>> > > At European Championship hold in Belgrade in August this
>> regulation
>> > was
>> > > explained so that steering was permissible from front edge of
>> wing,
>> > and
>> > > front edge of stabilizer. This will be also at WCh next year
>> in
>> > Belgrade.
>> > >
>> > >
>> >
>> > Ah, so "from the front end of model" really means from front OR
>> back,
>> > either way. Obviously, every "rear end" has a "front part" of
>> said
>> > rear end, so is this not an insult to language and its
>> distinctions?
>> > Fortunately, steering from LE of a stab is likely to lead to
>> breakage, but I have accidentally bumped stabs without (further)
>> mishap. Thanks, European officials. I will now
>> > expect "interpretations" in other rules, as it suits the moment.
>> Maybe "Maximum motor weight .600 gram" can now be interpreted as
>> Minimum OR Maximum."
>> >
>> > Was this enacted to please those who bungled steers from behind?
>> >
>> > Why can't we change rules if they are not suitable, instead of
>> insulting normal intelligence?
>> > Mark F1diddler
>> >
>> >
>> >
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Received on Wed Sep 12 2007 - 18:49:48 CEST