Have fun at Kibbie.
DD
> On Jan 18, 2019, at 3:43 PM, john_kagan_at_hotmail.com [Indoor_Construction] <Indoor_Construction_at_yahoogroups.com> wrote:
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> Hi Don,
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> By "lightweight flyers" I assume you mean those flying the majority of the AMA rubber events (201 HL Stick, 202 Intermediate Stick, 203 F1D Rubber, 205 Manhattan, 206 Easy B, 207 Pennyplane, 208 Ltd Pennyplane, 209 Helicopter, 210 Ornithopter, 214 A-Rog Stick, 217 F1L, 220 Mini Stick, 221 Electric Duration, 222 A-6, 223 F1M, and 224 F1R)
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> Interestingly, it will be a challenge to claim the 2019 AMA Indoor FF Nats are a great success if you get the expected precious few AMA event participants, and instead have most of your contestants flying unofficial events. I'm certain the AMA won't be happy if that happens. Wishing you the best in that regard.
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> I hope you do get all 51 respondents to your survey that committed to attending, and hopefully more, since you planned the schedule around them. Looking forward to seeing the final numbers.
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> You mentioned that you are looking to have the most participants of any AMA Indoor FF Nats in the past decade. Here are your high watermark targets:
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> 53 in 2012
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> 79 in 2010
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> 56 in 2009
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> I am disappointed, however, that you insist on repeating the fallacy that the 2014 Nats at Kibbie "lost a huge amount of money". Look back on the discussion on this list with John Lorbiecky and you'll see that the entry fees covered the site cost, and the trophy costs (which better not be a "huge" expense) were well within the AMA's budget, as confirmed by Joyce Hager. I know that if one repeats a lie enough times people will start to believe it is true, but that doesn't make it the right thing to do. Be better.
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> Everyone else,
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> History repeats itself. If Don's sentiments reflect those of NFFS and the AMA ("Lightweight flyers" are only 1/5 of an Indoor FF participant, we are derogatory form of the label "elite", we have unreasonable demands regarding site quality, etc.), then perhaps we are once again getting to the point where we need to represent our own interests, like N.I.M.A.S. did back in the day.
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> Nobody is debating that it is important to boost participation, but it is apparently up to us to make sure that the future of Indoor FF does justice to its history, and we don't just try to replace it with P-18.
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> I am using my limited vacation time and travel funds to support Kibbie, where we don't have to fly in the dark, all participants are equal and welcome (AMA, FAC, NFFS, etc. [although gliders may have a legitimate beef]), and you can fly whatever you want, whenever you want, for 5 days. Everyone living together in harmony on rolling dandelion covered hills. Kumbaya.
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> And Lakehurst.
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> p.s. I'll be looking for a place to inject a modified version of this on the Facebook groups, so ignore any future cross-post
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