Re: New AMA/NAA policy on FAI national records.

From: Nick Ray <lasray_at_gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2018 11:14:44 -0400

Don,

Let's work together on reversing this. I think we need to sell it to the
AMA leadership as them giving up the their "relevance" and point out that
for FAI only flyers an AMA membership is considerably less valuable now
than it has been.

Regards,

Nick Ray - District V Free Flight AVP

On Wed, Jun 13, 2018 at 11:05 AM, Brett Sanborn brett.d.sanborn_at_gmail.com
[Indoor_Construction] <Indoor_Construction_at_yahoogroups.com> wrote:

>
>
> I'm guessing that if you were to set a world record they'd probably charge
> the $125 for national record and $360 for the world record? Shelling out
> $485 doesn't sound very appealing.
>
> The other crazy thing to me is that per Tony's email, you would have to do
> a full blown dossier for national records. Money aside, filling out and
> printing off all that stuff, providing all the documentation is a
> substantial time commitment.
>
> This is pretty disappointing.
>
> Brett
>
>
> On Jun 13, 2018, at 8:38 AM, don_at_slusarczyk.com [Indoor_Construction] <
> Indoor_Construction_at_yahoogroups.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> Dear Indoor FF community,
>
> I am passing this memo along to the indoor list as this will have a direct
> impact on USA national records for FAI events. Basically what is happening
> is the AMA is no longer handling the records for FAI classes (F1D, F1L,
> F1M, F1R, F1N) . They are going to be processed by NAA and will cost $125
> with a certificate. The other AMA classes such as Limited Pennyplane, EZB,
> etc will still be free through the AMA.
>
> I think this fee is ridiculous as it is just a national
> record. I feel the national records are mainly a way for USA modelers to
> compare themselves to other modelers across the USA. I am not sure if as
> individuals we really care if our record is officially certified by NAA or
> not. My guess is most will not be willing to pay the $125 fee plus I assume
> one must be a NAA license holder as well. I also think the NAA records will
> not distinguish the classes into ages either. So junior and senior modelers
> will be flying against adult NAA records.
>
> In preparation for this possibly happening, Don DeLoach and I already
> discussed the idea of NFFS becoming the keeper of national records in these
> FAI indoor classes. Since I do the records for Indoor FF already, I can
> make a new form and we can start tracking them ourselves. I have no problem
> doing this and would like to keep up the tradition of sending out
> certificates as well.
>
> So a person setting a new national record in a class like F1D, they then
> have a choice to submit to NFFS only or to also submit to AMA with $125 to
> have it recognized by NAA. Yes it will mean official NAA records and the
> unofficial NFFS record may not be the same but I see no way around this if
> we want to keep a system like it has been for so many years.
>
> I am open for any other ideas or suggestions. The memo from the AMA is
> below.
>
> Don Slusarczyk
> Indoor Contest Board Chairman
>
> Dear Contest Board Chairman:
> I am contacting you to let you know of a change in our US National Record
> process.
>
> At the April Executive Council meeting, an item on the agenda was US
> National records. This issue came about when trying to get a better
> understanding of what NAA (National Aeronautic Association) does for AMA.
> The discussion turned to national records and it was recommended that NAA
> handle all FAI records, both World Records and National Records. It seems
> that both AMA and NAA had been doing this, with several individuals
> submitting US National record applications directly to NAA, but the council
> didn’t want dual records out there and voted to have NAA handle all FAI
> events that have records.
>
> So, starting on July 1st, 2018, AMA will no longer include FAI events in
> our National Record database. That will all go to NAA. As of July 1st, all
> FAI events seeking US National records will fill out the FAI paperwork and
> send in to AMA. AMA will verify all the needed documentation is supplied
> and forward this to NAA.
>
> The fee for submitting an FAI event US National record is $100.00. In
> addition, if they want a certificate from NAA for their record, that is an
> additional $25.00. The record will be verified by NAA and, if approved,
> included in their database of records.
>
> I have been in communication with NAA about this process and they believe
> they will have everything in place for the July 1st deadline.
>
> I know that many Indoor FF modelers will be very unhappy with now having
> to pay $100 (+ $25 if they want a certificate), and I stated that to the
> AMA Executive Council, this will be the new process. Note that ALL National
> record applications still are sent to AMA HQ (AMA events & FAI events). AMA
> event National Records will still be handled as we have done for some many
> years, and there is still no charge for a record application. Only FAI
> events have changed. US National Records for FAI events require filling out
> the applicable FAI record dossier and sending it along with payment to AMA
> HQ. AMA will then forward it to NAA.
>
> I will be happy to field any questions, but don’t shoot me! I’m just the
> messenger!
>
> You might want to put this out to your SIGs and any other groups that
> might be involved. We will be making announcements through AMA media as
> well.
>
> Tony Stillman
>
> Flying Site Assistance Coordinator/Competitions-Technical Director
>
> Academy of Model Aeronautics
>
> www.modelaircraft.org
>
> 800-435-9262 Ext. 230
>
>
>
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