Re: What Goes Around Comes Around

From: Jake Palmer <82.jake_at_gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2018 15:59:39 -0800

Don DeLoach has clearly said that he spoke to Jerry directly, and the 10
flyer rule was not intended to be a general rule proposal that would apply
to indoor. I'm trusting that they'll get it sorted. The sky is not
falling.

I'm not sure about the other proposal, but I doubt it has any support, and
may not comply with FAI rules which would possibly prevent it from being
enacted.

On Mon, Jan 8, 2018 at 3:43 PM, William Gowen wdgowen_at_gmail.com
[Indoor_Construction] <Indoor_Construction_at_yahoogroups.com> wrote:

>
>
> Also we don't really know what the intention of the original proposal was.
>
> On Jan 8, 2018 6:41 PM, "William Gowen" <wdgowen_at_gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Jake
>> It hasn't happened yet. I hope it's true that the proposals will go away
>> but vigilance is a good idea until that happens.
>>
>> On Jan 8, 2018 6:36 PM, "Jake Palmer 82.jake_at_gmail.com
>> [Indoor_Construction]" <Indoor_Construction_at_yahoogroups.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Perhaps this hasn't been advertised well enough and loud enough.
>>>
>>> *THESE PROPOSALS ARE GOING TO BE WITHDRAWN*
>>>
>>> They were made in error as general rules proposals. They were intended
>>> to be proposals for outdoor free flight. I continue to see conversations
>>> here, on Facebook, on Hippocket, and private messages directly to me from
>>> people in the district I represent. While I appreciate all the enthusiasm,
>>> this doesn't need to be discussed further.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jan 8, 2018 at 3:18 PM, Chris pseshooter3d_at_yahoo.com
>>> [Indoor_Construction] <Indoor_Construction_at_yahoogroups.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Tom, thank you for the historical perspective. I haven’t been playing
>>>> this game nearly long enough to have been part of those days, so take my
>>>> comments for what they are worth.
>>>>
>>>> At the contests I have attended, it seems like most people usually end
>>>> up flying against a record, whether it be national, a site record, or even
>>>> a personal best. F1D might be the exception to that, as I have witnessed
>>>> some pretty great competitive F1D flying.
>>>>
>>>> I can’t speak for everyone else here, but I don’t think anyone is
>>>> saying we have to fly all of the established events at every contest.
>>>> Rather the idea is that if this rule proposal is adopted into the books,
>>>> the records for the vast majority of events will no longer be kept. The
>>>> way I interpret the situation is then there would be no more records for
>>>> those events, and thus flyers would have nothing to fly against, and those
>>>> events would be effectively dead.
>>>>
>>>> If we want to keep flying for records in events such as AROG, EZB, A6,
>>>> Autogiro, IHLS, Manhattan Cabin, Ornithopter, etc, we should not accept any
>>>> rule that discards them from the record books.
>>>>
>>>> That said, I definitely don’t support this rule change, and doubt many
>>>> other AMA flyers would either, as it affects ALL aspects of aero modeling
>>>> that are sanctioned by AMA.
>>>>
>>>> CG
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>> On Jan 8, 2018, at 5:27 PM, Thomas Finch tomfinch2_at_hotmail.com
>>>> [Indoor_Construction] <Indoor_Construction_at_yahoogroups.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Harking back to the early 60's, There were six main indoor classes:
>>>> AROG, B, C and D stick and B and C cabin. Helicopter and Autogyro plus ROW
>>>> were also there but very seldom flown. FAI stick was really a subset of D
>>>> and Wally Miller had just come up with easy B which was being flown locally
>>>> in SoCal. The Nats just flew Stick and Cabin but those of us who were
>>>> active really competed against the records. A group spearheaded by Bud
>>>> Tenney decided that there were too many classes and lobbied AMA to cut down
>>>> the number. The only reason they really came up with was that it took too
>>>> much effort by HQ to keep up with all the records. At that time, Frank
>>>> Ehling was Technical Director and he assured me that it really wasn't any
>>>> trouble at all. Anyway they won and a bunch of classes were eliminated.
>>>> Here we are again almost 50 years later and the situation sounds awfully
>>>> similar. Leave the less popular classes in for those who want to compete
>>>> against the record.
>>>>
>>>> Tom Finch
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
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