Re: Re: [ciam-f1] Revised possible changes

From: Kevin Lamers <kevin.lamers_at_gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2016 21:28:45 +0200

"thin permanent ink pen" doesn't hold nicely on a black carbon boom or
stick ;-)

2016-10-19 20:29 GMT+02:00 Nick Ray lasray_at_gmail.com [Indoor_Construction] <
Indoor_Construction_at_yahoogroups.com>:

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> Hi Don,
>
> Having had my fair share of run-ins with non-indoor CDs, I can see where
> you and Mike are coming from in terms the rules being abundantly clear with
> regard to what the CD can and cannot do.
>
> The goal in this case is to make each participant's models unique so that
> models, or parts of models cannot be shared by competitors. We ran into a
> situation last spring, where it was impossible to prove that models were
> being shared, yet many suspected that they were.
>
> The license number is a convenient candidate because the competitors wear
> them at the world champs, and the timers use those numbers to match the
> fliers to the appropriate score cards. The rule change would ideally only
> add one more step, where the model is also matched to the fliers and the
> score cards. Names could be tricky if the competitor writes his or her name
> using non- Latin characters. As a I timer, I cannot tell you if a name
> written on the model in Chinese is the same as another name or not.
>
> The national number alone isn't sufficient because many countries seem to
> start with one, and so their could conceivably be overlaps. Nevertheless,
> if we use country code plus license number format, we'll get the right FAI
> numbers without having requiring the participant to have a current FAI card.
>
> Regards,
>
> Nick
>
> On Wed, Oct 19, 2016 at 1:00 PM, don_at_slusarczyk.com [Indoor_Construction]
> <Indoor_Construction_at_yahoogroups.com> wrote:
>
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>> Nick,
>>
>> Reading between the lines it seems there was some issue at the last WC
>> that is bringing this topic up. I have no idea what happened so do not have
>> the inside knowledge at what is driving the change. My concern is purely
>> from a CD perspective. Right now I have to check AMA cards of contestants.
>> So I currently see a potential in the proposal for FAI events that will
>> require only a FAI license number on the model. No problem with that. But
>> as a CD I would then ask to see your FAI card to assure that your number
>> matched the FAI card and was current. I know the numbers are the same
>> except for USA added but the difference becomes was the fee paid to FAI? I
>> do not think we want to put contestants or CDs in the position to have to
>> accept "made up" FAI numbers on a model to comply when no fee was paid and
>> if adopted for F1L, F1R and F1M it may effect participation.
>>
>> If the intent is to simply identify a model and its owner, then Tapio's
>> proposal seems to address it nicely by using either the FAI license or
>> National number (AMA number). Otherwise the unintended consequence is that
>> all FAI indoor modelers would have to buy a FAI stamp to then be issued
>> their FAI number to then be able to write that number on the model. Yes a
>> technicality of the current proposed wording but I am just pointing it out.
>> Better to clarify now to reflect the actual intent instead of after :-)
>>
>> Don S
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