Limited Pennyplane. Rules for LPP and all other AMA events can be found at
the address below. It's considered an entry level indoor event.
https://www.modelaircraft.org/files/2015-2016IndoorFreeFlight.pdf
On Mon, Jun 6, 2016 at 12:38 PM, Stephen Riley sriley1202_at_yahoo.com
[Indoor_Construction] <Indoor_Construction_at_yahoogroups.com> wrote:
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> Newbie here-
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> Please share the meaning of the acronym LPP.
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> Thanks.
> Steve
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> On Monday, June 6, 2016 12:07 PM, "Chris pseshooter3d_at_yahoo.com
> [Indoor_Construction]" <Indoor_Construction_at_yahoogroups.com> wrote:
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> I can see how P18 would attract new fliers. But then what? Are they
> going to fly P18 forever? If the idea of competition in the other indoor
> events is a barrier to entry for a lot of people, I would think that P18
> only delays the inevitable.
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> I would also like to know what bag of tricks you are referring to that
> "ruins" other events. A mechanized VP prop would be the one thing that
> might give first time builders trouble. But for a weight restricted event
> like LPP or F1L, I just don't see anything out there that is too
> difficult. I think quite the opposite is happening actually. The modern
> LPP being built of carbon fiber is easier to build due to the fact that
> expensive balsa does not need to be graded and tested for stiffness. The
> carbon hub LPP prop that is being more widely used is also not difficult to
> construct. If one simply does some research, they will find that this
> indoor thing while difficult to master, is not difficult to get started
> in. One just has to be willing to accept the techniques of the experts and
> learn them.
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> Again, I get how P18 could get fliers into the indoor scene, but how do we
> keep them if they fear competition?
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> Chris
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> Sent from my iPhone
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> On Jun 6, 2016, at 2:47 PM, William Carney wcarneyjx_at_gmail.com
> [Indoor_Construction] <Indoor_Construction_at_yahoogroups.com> wrote:
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> The purpose is to attract new indoor flyers. The purpose of the Max Out
> suggestion is to keep it approachable to beginners. I'm not trying to
> discourage anybody from flying the event, just to keep them from ruining
> it. All of the experts' bag of tricks are useless and actually detrimental
> in the event. I don't want to see these things flying for 5 minutes.
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> Bill C
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> On Mon, Jun 6, 2016 at 12:40 PM, William Carney <wcarneyjx_at_gmail.com>
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> Good point Bill. We don't want this event to attract experienced flyers.
> We want it to attract raw beginners. There does need to be a balance
> though. For an event to be considered successful it must have participants.
> I think a club who has a high number of experts who can Max Out in P-18
> might be a club who is having a lot of fun without ruining the appeal of
> the event to beginners.
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> Experts can fly this event all they want, but they are not going to 'sour
> the milk' if all they can do is three maxes. Any real expert or progressing
> new indoor flyer is going to see quickly that a real LPP will be far
> superior to a P-18 and will want to build one to compete as such.
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> Some will take many seasons to get there P-18 to do 2 minutes
> consistently, during which time they are exposed to the sights and
> atmosphere of indoor flying.
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> Bill C
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> On Sun, Jun 5, 2016 at 7:17 PM, William Gowen wdgowen_at_gmail.com
> [Indoor_Construction] <Indoor_Construction_at_yahoogroups.com> wrote:
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> Maybe you can just make a list of all the people who you consider too
> advanced to fly the event and attach that to the rules.
> Or maybe you can come up with a rule that anyone who has ever flown a
> legal AMA indoor duration model in their lifetime is barred from the event
> I really don't see that this event has any attraction for advanced fliers.
> I've already said that I won't fly it. And that doesn't mean that I'm
> opposed to the event.
> On Jun 5, 2016 8:51 PM, "William Carney wcarneyjx_at_gmail.com
> [Indoor_Construction]" <Indoor_Construction_at_yahoogroups.com> wrote:
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> Ray,
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> I propose that this event be flown as a two minute max event. No fly offs,
> no tie breakers. If an contestant wants to get full credit for his/her
> efforts they may but the times are scored as an official in LPP.
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> The purpose of this proposal is the remove the incentive of "Experts" from
> flooding the event and making it unappealing to a true beginner. If you can
> get one of these things to fly for two minutes three times in one day you
> are probably ready to tackle a true LPP and then... By the time a beginner
> has gotten enough experience to "Max Out" a P-18 he or she has set the
> Indoor FF hook pretty deep.
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> The rules, as written, produce an airplane that make two minutes a
> nominal goal. I kike seeing these models fly as they are very "indoor
> like" and I've seen their appeal to the public. I just don't want to see
> these things doing 5 minutes. Sure irt can probably be done but that is not
> the point of the event.
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> Thoughts?
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> Bill C
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> On Sat, Jun 4, 2016 at 3:54 PM, rbharlan_at_comcast.net
> [Indoor_Construction] <Indoor_Construction_at_yahoogroups.com> wrote:
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> The cross proposal window is May 31 to July 15, so now is the time to
> submit any cross proposals.
> I expect to submit one to change the prop size max to 6", instead of 5.5".
> There are a lot more 6" props out there than 5.5's, namely at Volare who
> has six kinds of 6" props.
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> I haven't checked for a specific cross proposal form at AMA, and, of
> course, if I check now, Yahoo will blow away all of this discourse and I
> don't want to type it again
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> What other ideas do you have for the event, Bill?.
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> Ray
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Received on Mon Jun 06 2016 - 13:22:22 CEST