Re: Re: F1D rules change proposal

From: Jake Palmer <82.jake_at_gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2014 08:15:14 -0800

I also strongly oppose the changes they're suggesting. If the goal is to
shorten contests, then fly 3 rounds per day. The lack of Y2K2 film is not
a good reason to increase the minimum weight. It's not hard to build a
model to 1.2 grams with OS film.


On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 8:00 AM, Brett Sanborn <brett.d.sanborn_at_gmail.com>wrote:

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>
> After looking at participation at the WC contest over the decades, we
> haven't really seen a big increase after the initial ramp up in competitors
> from 1961-1972. The best attended WC was in 1986 at Cardington with 51
> competitors from 17 countries. The average number of competitors from
> 1972-2000 when the rules changed is 34.667 competitors (not sure who is the
> 2/3 of a competitor). Then, from 2002-2012 with the advent of the 1.2 g 55
> cm the average number of competitors was (surprisingly) 34.667.
>
> Did the new rules breathe life into an otherwise dying hobby? Maybe. There
> was a slight rise in participation. In the two years before the rules
> change, the WC was attended by 24 and 27 competitors. The three cycles
> following the rules change there were 31, 36, and 31 competitors. These 5
> contests were all held in Slanic. The number of teams attending these
> contests also dropped from 11 to 10 in 1998 and 2000, respectively, then
> increased to 12 and 13 countries in 2002 and 2004. So could the overall
> rise in participation be due to some other factor like funding of teams?
>
> Is the goal to make the F1D WC have 100+ competitors flying in a gym
> (quiet, Deloach)? I think the stated goal to reduce flight times might not
> be achieved since people will come up with more efficient designs beyond
> the traditional approach with the new rules that will yield times that are
> only a bit less than what we're doing now. I thought the desired outcome of
> the 55 cm class was to reduce times? I'll be no one guessed that we'd be
> doing 40 minutes with these. It's also interesting to note that the best 65
> cm time was 53 minutes done by Steve Brown and the some of the best 55 cm
> times are all in the 42-43 minute range.
>
> I'm not sure we need to keep tinkering with the rules.
>
> Brett
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 9:05 AM, Nick Ray <lasray_at_gmail.com> wrote:
>
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>>
>> Thank you for bring this to our attention Tapio.
>>
>> The CIAM Proposal indicates that main rational for changing thenrules is
>> to limit flying times, in order to allow contests to be held in shorter
>> time periods. I think that could be accomplished by flying three rounds per
>> day. The current two round per day structure is a little slow even from the
>> standpoint of a full team. If we switched to a three round per day schedule
>> we could shorten the contest schedule by a full day without having to worry
>> about any other consequences that might come about from changing the model.
>> Shortening the contest by a full day saves both time, and money.
>>
>> The second point made in the Proposal is that due to unavailability of
>> Y2K2 we need to raise the model weight. I agree that lighter covering gives
>> an advantage in that it allows more of the model weight to be allocated to
>> structural components. Nevertheless, since the Proposal doesn't ban Y2K2
>> or microfilm the current weight advantage will continue to apply. It is
>> possible build a model with the current rules with OS and it will continue
>> to be advantageous to use Y2K2 if the rule change is adopted.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Nick Ray
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 8:40 AM, mkirda_at_sbcglobal.net <
>> mkirda_at_sbcglobal.net> wrote:
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>>>
>>>
>>> The North Koreans might have a chance then...
>>>
>>>
>>> --- In Indoor_Construction_at_yahoogroups.com, Don Slusarczyk <don_at_...>
>>> wrote:
>>> >
>>> The only debate will be height of the
>>> > contestant launching his model so F1D teams will have NBA players
>>> > launching models they bought on the internet :-)
>>> >
>>> > Don
>>>
>>>
>>
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