the violet dream solution is for sale here in belgrade at the WC. if any
america fliers want to buy some email me off list and i will get it here.
ben
On Sat, Aug 7, 2010 at 1:53 PM, Mark F1diddler <f1diddler_at_yahoo.com> wrote:
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> Today would use Certified or Randolph's non-tautening nitrate or even
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> Last I heard, Orsovia Devo's (prolly misspelled)Violet Dream Microfilm is
> still available, and experienced builders report is good. Should be a scan
> of some of his literature here in our Files Section. Everything else I read
> about is "almost right."
> MB
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> --- In Indoor_Construction_at_yahoogroups.com<Indoor_Construction%40yahoogroups.com>,
> hermann andresen <hermanna_at_...> wrote:
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> > Wrinkling, especially around edges, is normal as solvent evaporates.
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> > White sounds like blushing of the lacquer base. Usually a result of high
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> > Thinner compromises film properties, causes pinholing etc. Storing the
> solution in freezer slows the curing & gives it time to spread out prior to
> setting up without need of thinner.
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> > Was in grammar school when I built an Atwood C stick (prior to Pete
> Andrews 30min). Film was poured in bathtub with wire hoop in bottom. Total
> disaster. Clear nitrate w/castor or TCP was most common, tho an old timer
> demonstrated an eyther/collodian mixture.
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> > Had enuf fun w/DIY film in my youth. Today would use Certified or
> Randolph's non-tautening nitrate or even butyrate.
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> > H
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> > To: Indoor_Construction_at_yahoogroups.com<Indoor_Construction%40yahoogroups.com>
> > From: wdgowen_at_...
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> > Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2010 16:45:46 -0400
> > Subject: Re: [Indoor_Construction] Re: micro film making
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> > Is it normal for film to wrinkle after pouring? Is it
> > normal for it to turn white while drying?
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> > If either answer is "no" then what would prevent
> > those things from happening?
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> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From:
> > Tom
> > Iacobellis
> > To: indoor_construction_at_yahoogroups.com<indoor_construction%40yahoogroups.com>
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> > Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2010 4:27
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> > Subject: RE: [Indoor_Construction] Re:
> > micro film making
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> > I've been pouring and building with micro film for over 25 years now.
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> > learned a few things. I mentioned thinner in a half hearted way in
> > response to Bill's goofy PVC glue film, because in all seriousness, if I
> make
> > a pour and I find the film is too thick(pale green-pale red), which by
> the way
> > we used to use on props, or between news paper for patch
> > film, then I thin the mixture with Laqueur thinner, or Dope thinner,
> > to get the viscosity I need to pull off blue/gold sheets. I don't bother
> > with all silver or all gold sheets any more because they are just too
> > thin and the weight savings is negligible. Be careful when adding
> thinner, if
> > you add too much at once, you'll make the solution too thin and you wont
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> > able to lift a single sheet. Store "Mike" solution in tightly sealed
> > glass jars, metal cans rust, and plastic bottles respire moisture. Micro
> film
> > is a pain in the ass to make,store, and build with, but when it is up
> > there flying, and the sun light is refracting its colors it is
> > spectacular. It is the true essence of indoor. Iaco
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> > To: Indoor_Construction_at_yahoogroups.com<Indoor_Construction%40yahoogroups.com>
> > From:
> > wdgowen_at_...
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> > Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2010 13:24:24 -0400
> > Subject: Re:
> > [Indoor_Construction] Re: micro film making
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> > I don't know what effect thinner would have but I will
> > try it and see.
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> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Tom
> > Iacobellis
> > To: indoor_construction_at_yahoogroups.com<indoor_construction%40yahoogroups.com>
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> > Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2010 12:44
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> > Subject: RE: [Indoor_Construction]
> > Re: micro film making
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> > Hi Bill, I wonder if you'd get something quite good if you could thin it
> > enough before you pour. Tom I.
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> > To: Indoor_Construction_at_yahoogroups.com<Indoor_Construction%40yahoogroups.com>
> > From:
> > wdgowen_at_...
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> > 5 Aug 2010 11:56:59 -0400
> > Subject: Re: [Indoor_Construction] Re:
> > micro film making
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> > I made some mega-film a couple of days ago. I poured
> > some PVC pipe cement onto water. The resulting film was extremely strong
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> > but it weighed 3mg per square inch. With this stuff you could make an EZB
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> > wing and stab that weighed .24g if you left out all the wood.
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: RLBailey_at_...
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> > To: Indoor_Construction_at_yahoogroups.com<Indoor_Construction%40yahoogroups.com>
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> > Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2010 6:11
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> > Subject: Re:
> > [Indoor_Construction] Re: micro film making
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> > I advise you to buy some proprietary film (advertised as such). Clear
> > shrinking dope may work but I would bet against it. I used a small can
> > which held 35 mm photographic film with a hole about 3 mm dia in the side
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> > at the bottom. Pour the film from the can, holding the can a few cm above
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> > the water surface.To make film large enough for eg F1D you will need a
> > tank about 1 x 1.5m with a depth of about 3 - 4 cm. That amount of water
> > will weigh 50 kg or more.
> > Bob
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> > On Aug 4 2010, gert-jan
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> > oke thats the way to do it .
> > that nitrate aircraft dope
> > is the same as what we call (spanlak )Clear Shrinking Dope?
> > or how do I
> > create this?
> >
> > --- In Indoor_Construction_at_yahoogroups.com<Indoor_Construction%40yahoogroups.com>,
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> > Fred Bare wrote:
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> > > The making of the covering material
> > is called Microfilm. A shallow tank of water is allowed to
> > "cure"- for 12 or more hours allowing volatile chemicals to escape.
> > The ideal water temperature is between 68 to 74 degrees F. The
> > microfilm based on nitrate aircraft dope with plasticizers
> > added. Adjust the fornula to get the film you would like.
> > A small amount of the solution is poured out onto the surface of the
> > water in one smooth, extended linear motion.. The solution spreads
> > out on the surface of the water to a nearly mono molecular
> > thickness. It is allowed to "set" on the water's surface for several
> > minutes.
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BEN SAKS
www.bensaks.carbonmade.com
Received on Sat Aug 07 2010 - 11:30:59 CEST