Re: Getting people started in indoor FF

From: Thomas <parkreation_at_msn.com>
Date: Mon, 08 Feb 2010 20:43:22 -0000

Yes, if A-6 is meant to introduce indoor to new people, then 1.8 grams is better than 1.2 grams. Why, you may ask? Novice indoor fliers simply do not have the physical capability nor the precise scales to split the grams that small. You would only accomplish dividing the competition amongst a shrinking collection of indoor enthusiasts. If any new blood comes to the sport, why would we demorialize them with an airplane that has a 9 out of 10 range of difficulty.

"Ahhh, thank-you indoor community, but I think I will just move onto another challenge that's more FUN", is what most novices will think.

Indoor Freeflight is on the verge of extinction yet the conservative, seasoned flier wants yet another form of "EZB" (indoor's oxymoron!)with anti-novice difficulty. We should grasp what would drive the market, that is, the sport of indoor freeflight to go UP ....not OUT.

Stepping down from the bully pulpit,
Tom Sanders

--- In Indoor_Construction_at_yahoogroups.com, "Don DeLoach" <ddeloach@...> wrote:
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> Now here's a guy we should all listen to.
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> Tom, what would say a reasonable weight limit would be for Novice A-6? 1.8
> grams?
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> Now, re: paper covering, the main argument in favor of is it is perceived by
> the average modeler to be easier to with/use etc. Would you agree with that
> assertion? Or does the paper covering perception no longer exists in the
> mind? I'm really curious about this.
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> Don
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> From: Indoor_Construction_at_yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:Indoor_Construction_at_yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Thomas
> Sent: Monday, February 08, 2010 8:01 AM
> To: Indoor_Construction_at_yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Indoor_Construction] Re: Getting people started in indoor FF
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> Hey Marty and all,
>
> Been a long time and am glad you have added your thoughts. For those who
> don't know, Marty was a long time coach in Science Olympiad. He and I spent
> many years officiating at NATS. Our witnessing thousands of novices flying
> "indoors" gives us a unique perspective. Having two classes of "novice" and
> "expert" should be given strong consideration.
>
> AS for plastic film I vote- yes. It am a convert. (Thanks Ray Harlan) It is
> much easier to trim an airplane when the flying surface remains stable while
> the atmospheric conditions change. This gets a novice that much closer to
> success. We do need to get info and video up on how to apply- YouTube at its
> finest...
>
> For 50% Stab- I say yes, again. We spent two years recently with very small
> stabs in Wright Stuff and stability was an issue directly attributed to the
> tiny stab surface area. So lesson learned, let's keep the variables for
> trimming manageable.
>
> Finally, after one of the longest event runs in SO history, Wright Stuff
> goes into hibernation for two years. Grinding out rules for A-6
> will help nurture some of these novice student fliers who have gotten hooked
> by the indoor bug.
>
> Regards,
> Tom Sanders
> National Supervisor
> --- In Indoor_Construction <mailto:Indoor_Construction%40yahoogroups.com>
> _at_yahoogroups.com, Marty Alderman <mda35@> wrote:
> >
> > I've seen pages of discussion about the details of the A-6 rules,
> > admittedly not an easy thing on which to get consensus. If people agree
> > that A-6 is a class which is supposed to get beginners hooked on indoor
> > FF competition, then why has there been only one comment about my post
> > on having ONE two-division class where only beginners are allowed to
> > compete for the trophy in the beginners division? It means an extra set
> > of trophies, but c'mon guys! Focus! How can we bring newbies into
> > trying indoor FF competition AND get them hooked????? I suggested we
> > put out some candy (trophies!)
> >
> > I find the rules discussion interesting, but it has become a separate
> > issue from getting and keeping newbies, and our hobby NEEDS to get and
> > keep newbies if it is to survive. There has been some discussion of how
> > to bring newbies into the hobby in the past, but IMHO we need a more
> > robust 'Survival of the Hobby' thread separate from the A-6 rules
> > thread. Or is this hobby actually another 'creative anachronism' like
> > using Morse code on Ham Radio?
> >
> > Best,
> >
> > Marty
> >
> > P.S. - I like Morse code, too.
> >
> > --
> > Marty Alderman
> > Physics Teacher!
> > Cornell University Visiting Faculty
> > 2007-9 Cornell PhysTEC TIR (Teacher In Residence)
> >
> > 128 Clark Hall, Cornell University, Ithaca, NY 14853
> > 607.255.0165
> > mda35_at_
> >
> > At some point in their lives, most people ask themselves:
> > "Does my life have meaning?"
> > Most teachers answer it emphatically:
> > "Absolutely! YES!"
> >
>
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