Matthew,
Basically, the higher the ceiling, the longer the motor needs to be. At the
USIC, where the ceiling is something like 115' high & winning flight times
need to be 9.5 to 10 minutes, we are flying with a 18" long loop because we
need a lot of turns. In lower ceiling sites like a typical gym (20'?) & flight
times of 5 minutes +/-, the motor length is more like 13". Prop blade angle
will have a large influnce on the porp RPM & therefore the rate at which the
turns are used up. As an example, if your average prop RPM is 350, you need
approximately 1750 total turns in the motor at launch for a 5 minute flight. In
low ceilings an additional challenge is avoiding getting hung up on the
joists, etc.
However, all of the above is determined by a lot of testing & careful record
keeping. One of my friends jokes that the hobby isn't building & flying, it
is recording data.
By the way, the method of covering (shrinking & wrinkling) you describe
should work very well.
Good luck.
Gary Hodson
In a message dated 7/31/2008 5:19:18 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
mattnsim_at_yahoo.com.au writes:
that would be great if i could get above 5 minutes!! i also saw your wrote
down 18" motors? my plan asks for a 13" motor. Size really matters! I am
looking forward to giving it a whirl tomorow at the next indoor meet and i hope
that the tissue does not shrink. I shurnk the tissue on a frame about 6 times
with water and then i crumpled it into a ball and then smoothed it out with
an iron again. so that should keep the shrinking at bay
regards
matthew
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Bill,
That is interesting. First, my reply to Matthew was based on the assumption
that he was flying in a typical gym. In a high ceiling site like the USIC,
we
(Emil Schutzel, Tem Johnson & myself) also use 18" long motors. Our motors
average .85 - .90 grams & our props are 45 or 47 degrees. If we use lower
pitch props we invariably run out of turns.
In low ceiling sites, we still prefer higher pitch props to slow down the
prop & also slow down the climb. In our local contests (low ceilings with
lots
of trusses, etc) a winning time is at least 5 minutes & can be as high as 6
minutes.
Gary Hodson
In a message dated 7/30/2008 9:26:30 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
_b.gowen_at_comcast.b.g_ (mailto:b.gowen_at_comcast.net) writes:
I seem to always use larger motors than most people. My 9:30 at USIC 2007
was on 1 gram of 5/99 x 18" (.050"). I've never done well with 45 degree
prop
blades. Mine typically are set in the 34 to 38 degree range.
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I am not familiar with that particular plan. However, based on my
experience, I think you are on the right track with the information below.
Two
comments. I doubt that you need to increase the rudder area, but doing so
won't hurt
either. I think the 0.030" rubber will prove to be too small. If you are
flying in a typical gym, I would use a 13"-15" loop of 0.034" rubber. The
thicker
rubber will improve the cruise portion of the flight. If you are not happy
with the results, look around for a proven design & build it exactly as
shown.
Don't try to improve it until you have a good base line of experience with
the proven design.
Gary Hodson
In a message dated 7/28/2008 12:40:38 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
__mattnsim_at_yahoo._mattn_ (mailto:_mattnsim_at_yahoo.mattns) _
(mailto:_mattnsim_at_yahoo.mattns_ (mailto:mattnsim_at_yahoo.com.au) ) writes:
Hi there all, I am looking for some expert guidance on a beginers level
A6. I am not new to free flight, but am i new to A6. I have built lots
of peanuts and have actually won an Indoor peanut scale contest. I made
an A6-5a by bruce mcrory. I did enlarge the rudder,The plan indicated
that the rudder had been reduced in size as a test to see how it went.
I did not need that agrivation to start out with so i increased the
rudder by about 15%. The models all up weight is 1.2 grams. It is
covered in pre shrunk condensor paper and i am looking for some expert
advice on trimming. My prop blades are set at 45 degrees to one another
and i have used a twisted wire pigtail prop hangar.
I plan on using .030 rubber to start with as per the plan and we will
see how i go from there. If there is anyone out there with some tips
that would be greatly appreciated.
regards
Matthew
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