Re: Re: A program to support and promote F1D in the US (v2018)

From: Jake Palmer <82.jake_at_gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2018 09:38:36 -0700

Don,

The first result of a Google search for "2018 FAI F1D rules" is a link to a
PDF copy of the FAI free flight rule book. Links can change and I don't
think the AMA should be responsible for keeping that information updated,
especially when it's so incredibly easy to find the rules on the FAI
website.

Regards,
Jake

On Thu, Apr 5, 2018 at 9:21 AM, David Goorskey david.goorskey_at_gmail.com
[Indoor_Construction] <Indoor_Construction_at_yahoogroups.com> wrote:

>
>
> Incidentally, there is another class of indoor freeflight, F1M, that is
> the "Indoor Beginners Class". Here are the rules:
>
> "
> 3.M.2. Characteristics of Indoor Model Aircraft
>
> The wing span of the model shall not exceed 460 mm, monoplanes only
> permitted. The
> minimum weight of the airframe is 3g. The maximum weight of the rubber
> motor shall not exceed
> 1.5g. The covering of the model may consist of any material except
> microfilm.
>
> The model shall carry the FAI unique ID number of the competitor on the
> motorstick written with
> permanent marker or other non-removable means.
>
> The competitor must be the builder of the models entered.​
> "
>
> That seems like a good place to start. The middle school Science Olympiad
> Wright Stuff event has the similar rules except the weight of the plane has
> to be at least 7g.
>
> David Goorskey
>
> On Thu, Apr 5, 2018 at 12:14 PM, David Goorskey <david.goorskey_at_gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Don,
>>
>> Good point. I also had trouble finding information about what is F1D and
>> where are the official rules. Before (and after) the recent World
>> Championship, there was all this discussion about interpretation of the
>> "Builder of Model" (BOM) rule and how that applied to purchased variable
>> pitch (VP) propeller hubs, but I did not see the exact wording the rules
>> stated. So I did some (a lot of) searching and I found this website:
>>
>> https://www.fai.org/commission/ciam​
>>
>> And here are the F1D rules (aka "Sporting Code") for 2018:
>> https://www.fai.org/sites/default/files/documents/sc4_vol_
>> f1_freeflight_18.pdf
>>
>> In Section 3.4.2, it says,
>>
>> "
>> 3.4.2. Characteristics of Indoor Model Aircraft F1D
>>
>> Maximum wingspan of the monoplane model ................550 mm,
>>
>> Maximum chord of the lifting surfaces ...........................200 mm
>> Maximum tail span ........................................................450
>> mm,
>> Minimum weight without rubber motor ..........................1.4 g,
>> Maximum weight of the lubricated rubber motor ...........0.4 g.
>>
>> The competitor must be the builder of the models entered.
>>
>> The model shall carry the FAI unique ID number of the competitor on the
>> motorstick written with
>> permanent marker or other non-removable means.
>> "
>>
>> That's it. Surprisingly simple. There are more rules, of course, about
>> the competition, but these are the main specifications to qualify as a F1D
>> model.
>>
>> But you are right. Convenient (and should I say, obvious) access to
>> rules that govern the sport would help newcomers get into this sport easier.
>>
>> Also, I'm with you in wanting to just build a F1D-like plane that flies
>> even half the time of world-class flights. That would be a good starting
>> point.
>>
>> David Goorskey
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 5, 2018 at 11:43 AM, dweigt47_at_gmail.com
>> [Indoor_Construction] <Indoor_Construction_at_yahoogroups.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> F1D has more issues than finding mentors and rare and out of production
>>> tools and supplies.
>>>
>>> I probably never will be an active indoor flyer, but thought I should
>>> know the definition for a legal F1D. Personally, as someone who never
>>> competed in FAI events, I find their labels unhelpful...
>>>
>>> Where to find the rules for F1D? How about my good ol' AMA website?
>>> After poking around it for a while, I found it said to refer to the FAI
>>> rules. No link, no info on where to start! FAI is flown in this country,
>>> clearly, so why not list the rules somewhere, or at least provide a link? A
>>> link might be best, as any copy on the AMA site could be out of date, a
>>> link to the FAI rules should be current.
>>>
>>> Maybe I gave up too easily, but I still don't know the rules that must
>>> be met for a model to be an F1D. How are you going to interest people in an
>>> event without an accessible definition of it?
>>>
>>> The majestic flight of these models as seen in videos is awe inspiring.
>>> But, which models qualify as F1D? If I wanted to make a basic model that
>>> fit the F1D category, though certainly not competitive, what would it take?
>>> I gather from lurking that there's no such thing as a simple entry level
>>> F1D: that people develop their skills in other events.
>>>
>>> I know that at the highest performance levels, it takes a lot of work to
>>> gain a small amount of additional performance. But, how hard would it be to
>>> make a model to the F1D rules that had the potential of flying half as long?
>>>
>>> Don Weigt
>>> AMA 17042
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
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