Re: Re: BOM rule - was:: Ready-made VP at World Champs

From: Mike and Marelet Kirda <mkirda_at_sbcglobal.net>
Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2018 15:21:33 +0000 (UTC)

By that logic, fully covered flying surfaces would be legal too.
BOM = ARF.

    On Wednesday, March 7, 2018 8:41 AM, "Nick Ray lasray_at_gmail.com [Indoor_Construction]" <Indoor_Construction_at_yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 

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I reached out to Ian Kaynes regarding this matter in 2015. He stated that this is not an issue for the Free Flight Technical Committee to decide, but rather, it is under the purview an FAI Jury. He went on to tell me that if he were on a jury, then he would view V/P hub is a sub-component, and therefore purchasing one does not violate BOM. 
Knowing that at least one US Team member could be impacted by a protest, I raised the question at the 2016 Team Manager's meeting in Slanic.  I was told that the event organizers did not want this issue to be raised via an official protest, and that to their way of thinking purchased hubs were allowable. 
FAI rule interpretations are made via jurisprudence at continental or world championships. Thus, the only way to get a clear answer to this question is to file an official protest during a contest. Perhaps, the best way to obtain an answer would be to find someone using a purchased hup that has a throw away flight. Then speak with them, and with their consent file an official protest. Maybe then we could finally move forward. 

Best regards, 
Nick Ray 

At the 2016 World Champs 
On Tue, Mar 6, 2018 at 11:12 PM, Jake Palmer 82.jake_at_gmail.com [Indoor_Construction] <Indoor_Construction_at_ yahoogroups.com> wrote:

   Outdoor FF FAI events do not have a BOM rule.. Indoor FF FAI events do have a BOM rule. 
On Mar 6, 2018 7:11 PM, "iskandartaib_at_yahoo.com [Indoor_Construction]" <Indoor_Construction_at_yahoogrou ps.com> wrote:

   I'm sure kits are allowed - attend any Nats and you'll find many kit-built models being flown in classes that require BOM. BOM doesn't mean the model has to be scratch-built, kits are usually allowed. What was the intent of BOM? It goes back to the early days of aeromodelling competition, in the 1930s IIRC. The intent was to prevent "daddy-built" models from being entered by kids. In one case I read about they actually asked three brothers to build a wing on the spot to prove that they could build a model. And they did! As far as F1D is concerned - it's an FAI event. Does BOM even apply? Forgive my ignorance, I don't fly F1D, and don't know the rules, but I do know that very expensive, fully built up Russian and Ukrainian models abound in Wakefield and A2 (i.e. F1B and F1A). You even see them being used in Indonesia (the models are bought and paid for by regional aeromodelling clubs for national level competition). Similarly, fully built up (usually Russian) models are used in F2B (CL Precision Aerobatics) but NOT allowed in AMA PA competition (at least, not at the Nats). The issue of whether to allow ARF models in CL Stunt in the US blew up into a full-scale war around 2001-2002.
How any of this applies to F1D auto-pitch mechanisms I wouldn't hazard a guess.... no stake in it myself...
Iskandar
   
   





   
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