Josh,
I still consider you a friend. You called my proposal stupid. I called your
butt pompous. We'll both live.
I'm sorry that in all my discussion of the benefits of P-18 I failed to
clearly enunciate what a Beginner gets out of a Beginner event. They get to
BEGIN.
Bill C
On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 6:29 AM, joshuawfinn_at_gmail.com [Indoor_Construction]
<Indoor_Construction_at_yahoogroups.com> wrote:
>
>
> "Josh as soon as someone like you starts throwing around words like STUPID
> and Ridiculous it denigrates the process of debate and shows you have run
> out of ideas with which to intelligently debate the issue. It also possibly
> shows that you wouldn't recognize an original idea if it bit you on your
> pompous butt."
>
>
> Irony: accusing me of calling you names, which I didn't, and then calling
> me one.
>
>
> Bill, you would do well to get less emotionally invested in a rules
> proposal. Don Deloach has maintained that approach and actually gained
> ground. You on the other hand have erupted into rage because I and at least
> two others have consistently countered your points and asked the same
> questions over and over which you have refused to answer. Further, you have
> promulgated libelous statements about me like "Josh, the fact that you can
> only see winning as a motivation for beginners demonstrates the problem at
> hand." That item is on its face absolutely absurd given that I participate
> in more non competition model flying events in a year than most indoor
> fliers attend in a lifetime.
>
>
> You've stated "We have had a myriad of beginner events over the years and
> they all followed the same path. They are quickly dominated by experts and
> lose all appeal to beginners. What I am proposing is simply to TRY
> SOMETHING DIFFERENT.", but the fallacy if this argument is that you're not
> doing anything different. As written, the event is just another simple
> model event which will doubtless follow the same course, unless of course
> you alienate all the "experts" from the event in which case it will die of
> nonparticipating since the experts are the ones that beginners come to for
> suggestions as to which model to build. Neither of those achieves your
> goals because of the myriad of reasons stated by John Kagan over four years
> ago.
>
>
> All of this is a moot point because you have been queried over and over to
> answer our collective question of "why have a competition event for
> beginners if winning isn't for them?" and have sidestepped that question
> every single time. I'm done with this discussion. From the emails I've
> received off list, it is clear that you have made my point to the indoor
> community at large, which was my hope from the start of this debate.
>
>
> In closing, what saddens me is that you, as an expert modeler who has
> probably attended USIC longer than I've been alive and have mastered model
> types that most freeflighters never succeed at in a lifetime have proceeded
> to attack someone who once counted you a friend. I've flown with you on
> multiple occasions, not in competition any of those times, and I had an
> absolute blast doing so. I thought you had the same feeling, and I loved
> watching your models flying endlessly, demonstrating the level of
> performance that you now decry as demotivating to beginners. Please
> disconnect your emotions from the indoor political process and accept the
> opinions of the rest of us as equally as valid as your own. I welcome a
> civil debate on this topic, but it has gone far past that.
>
>
> -jf
>
>
>
>
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