Re: carbon VP hub data?

From: <mkirda_at_sbcglobal.net>
Date: Thu, 07 Mar 2013 14:54:50 -0000

Call me old-fashioned, but I want a tissue tube in there somewhere...

Seems too easy for a blade to get slightly misaligned with no way to adjust. Also if a blade breaks, I want to have spares available that I could easily add. (After breaking two prop blades last night, I see a lot of advantages to this.)

Regards.
Mike Kirda

--- In Indoor_Construction_at_yahoogroups.com, "Yuan Kang Lee" <ykleetx@...> wrote:
>
> Gary,
>
> > What keeps the .020 carbon rod from sliding out
> > of the .020/.040 tube? Is it the .011 rod in the .015 hole?
>
> Yes.
>
> > the prop spar is glued into the .020 carbon rod.
>
> Yes, the prop spar needs to be attached to the .020 carbon rod and the .011 rod. There are several ways to do this, and I will take some time to explain in better detail in the next couple of days. For now, here is the quick description, including how the sparless blade is constructed.
>
> A Blade Construction
>
> - form outline (wet) with twist on prop block 1
> - on another prop block 2, put down double sided tape along a trace of the outline
> - place dried outline with twist on block 2, using double sided tape to hold the outline down
> - put in temporary straight ribs
> - apply boron to first side
> - remove outline carefully from prop block, place outline with boron side down on block
> - apply boron to second side
> - replace temporary straight ribs with real ribs
>
> B cover
>
> C glue on spar
>
> D put on VP hub
>
> I'm experimenting with orders of steps B,C,D. One way is C,B,D.
>
> Another way is (a la Steve Brown):
>
> - glue prop spar to 020 rod and 011 lever arm before assembling VP hub
> - assemble VP hub
> - build outline/ribs on VP hub + spar assembly
> - cover
>
>
>
> --- In Indoor_Construction_at_yahoogroups.com, Warthodson@ wrote:
> >
> >
> > Kang,
> > Thanks for posting the VP hub photos & text. The diagrams & dimensions were especially helpful. As I understand it, the prop spar is glued into the .020 carbon rod. What keeps the .020 carbon rod from sliding out of the .020/.040 tube? Is it the .011 rod in the .015 hole?
> > Gary Hodson
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Yuan Kang Lee <ykleetx_at_>
> > To: Indoor_Construction <Indoor_Construction_at_yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Wed, Mar 6, 2013 10:06 am
> > Subject: [Indoor_Construction] Re: carbon VP hub data?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > I look forward to your feedback -- how it can be constructed simpler, alternate materials, etc.
> >
> > The hub is strong and light, at 70 mg. It should withstand the impact of an exploding motor.
> >
> > There is one kink to be worked out. Although the hub's action is very smooth when you work it in your hand, in flight, I believe there is some binding. In a normal flight, this means that the return to low pitch happens in jumps. I heard it pop into low pitch this past weekend in the F1D contests. The flight result was still very good -- I flew a 14:45 with a half motor at 25'.
> >
> > The big problem happens when the prop hits the ceiling, obstructions, or when the model is steered from the front. The VP goes into low pitch and is stuck there -- this happened when I flew in Atlanta. At Torrance, I flew no touch, so this problem was not detrimental to the final result.
> >
> > When I started building VP's back in October last year, I built one or two of every existing type to better understand how they work. Two things struck me -- the existing VP hubs require precise fit of components, and the wire hinge was the smoothest. These observations led to this VP hub, which uses a modified wire hinge and does not require a precise fit. (I'll go into this later.)
> >
> > I was mostly excited when I thought that this VP hub may be accessible to everyone. I guess we'll have to see about that.
> >
> > I want to extend this design to F1M / Pennyplane and any larger and heavier indoor models. I hope this would encourage more people to fly VP's indoor. I have espoused before that indoor flying in a low ceiling gym using a VP is the "ultimate". It allows gentle flying of our models, and brings maximum enjoyment if indoor flying.
> >
> > -Kang
> >
> > --- In Indoor_Construction_at_yahoogroups.com, Nick Ray wrote:
> > >
> > > Hello Everyone,
> > >
> > > The INAV site has been updated with an article on Kang's hub. I want to
> > > thank Kang for putting that together for us so quickly.
> > >
> > > http://indoornewsandviews.wordpress.com/
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > Nick
> > >
> >
>
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