Re: Re: what is difficult in building indoor duration

From: Don DeLoach <ddeloach_at_comcast.net>
Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2012 15:47:41 -0600

Bring it on I say. More bodies us what indoor desperately needs.

Speaking from long experience in outdoor F1, the best modelers flying homemade models will always have an edge.



Don DeLoach

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On Oct 17, 2012, at 3:40 PM, Jake Palmer <82.jake_at_gmail.com> wrote:

> Here's a hypothetical. What if the BOM rule went away and some of the top competitors began selling components? Treger sells his hub for about $100. Let's say Schramm started selling wings for $150, and prop blades for $100 a pair. Now you need to spend $350 to build one plane. You need several backup models to compete. That means I need to invest $1400 in models to be competitive. Is that going to spur interest in the hobby or will it just scare away the average guy like myself that can't afford to risk a $350 model on every flight?
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> On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 2:29 PM, Yuan Kang Lee <ykleetx_at_gmail.com> wrote:
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> Don,
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> Please don't agree with me !!!! LOL ...
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> --- In Indoor_Construction_at_yahoogroups.com, Don DeLoach <ddeloach_at_...> wrote:
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> > I agree Kang.
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> > Don DeLoach
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> > Sent from my iPhone
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> > On Oct 17, 2012, at 2:59 PM, "Yuan Kang Lee" <ykleetx_at_...> wrote:
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> > > So if there's no advantage in Treger's hub, why not allow it to be purchased and used?
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> > > --- In Indoor_Construction_at_yahoogroups.com, Jake Palmer <82.jake_at_> wrote:
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> > > > I tend to agree with Mike. While I certainly appreciate the elegance of
> > > > Treger's hub, I don't think it offers any performance advantages over an
> > > > older style hub.
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> > > > On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 1:29 PM, mkirda_at_
> > > > <mkirda_at_>wrote:
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> > > > > I would have to disagree on composites being out of reach, Nick.
> > > > > A foot of carbon could make a lifetime of hubs and costs ~$5. Add
> > > > > laminating epoxy and balsa rather than Rohacell and you have an easy carbon
> > > > > yoke in just two layup steps. All you need is a Food Saver.
> > > > >
> > > > > I am not convinced that the Treger design is any better though- There are
> > > > > some torsional stresses that might be better dealt with using Lutz
> > > > > Schramm's design for example.
> > > > >
> > > > > Regards.
> > > > > Mike Kirda
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> > > > > --- In Indoor_Construction_at_yahoogroups.com, Nick Ray <lasray_at_> wrote:
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> > > > > > I think the ease of construction has a great deal to do with the
> > > > > materials
> > > > > > involved. A Brown / Kagan style hub is well within the range of average
> > > > > > indoorist. Most of the materials can ordered from A2Zcorp or even
> > > > > scavenged
> > > > > > locally. However, composite hubs like Treger, Tyson and Sandborn have
> > > > > built
> > > > > > require substantially more involved manufacturing processes.
> > > > > > All three use formed fiberglass tubes and carbon layup screw holders. The
> > > > > > vacuum bagging process alone is cost prohibitive for many people. One has
> > > > > > to make 6 or 7 composite hubs to break even when compared to the cost of
> > > > > > buying them from Treger. Maybe someone would like to produce V/P kits
> > > > > where
> > > > > > the base components are formed and then sent out with assembly
> > > > > > instructions.
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> > > > > > If F1D keeps moving in the direction of using more and more composite
> > > > > > technology we are going to be in the same situation as F1B within the
> > > > > next
> > > > > > ten years. I am for not placing materials restrictions on the models, but
> > > > > > at the same time I think that for many competitors, particularly juniors
> > > > > we
> > > > > > may have to decide how we would like to go forward with regard to the BOM
> > > > > > as the models become more intricate.
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> > > > > > Regards,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Nick
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