Re: Re: what is difficult in building indoor duration

From: Don DeLoach <ddeloach_at_comcast.net>
Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2012 15:14:40 -0600

I agree Kang.

Don DeLoach

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On Oct 17, 2012, at 2:59 PM, "Yuan Kang Lee" <ykleetx_at_gmail.com> wrote:

> So if there's no advantage in Treger's hub, why not allow it to be purchased and used?
>
> --- In Indoor_Construction_at_yahoogroups.com, Jake Palmer <82.jake_at_...> wrote:
> >
> > I tend to agree with Mike. While I certainly appreciate the elegance of
> > Treger's hub, I don't think it offers any performance advantages over an
> > older style hub.
> >
> > On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 1:29 PM, mkirda_at_...
> > <mkirda_at_...>wrote:
> >
> > > **
> > >
> > >
> > > I would have to disagree on composites being out of reach, Nick.
> > > A foot of carbon could make a lifetime of hubs and costs ~$5. Add
> > > laminating epoxy and balsa rather than Rohacell and you have an easy carbon
> > > yoke in just two layup steps. All you need is a Food Saver.
> > >
> > > I am not convinced that the Treger design is any better though- There are
> > > some torsional stresses that might be better dealt with using Lutz
> > > Schramm's design for example.
> > >
> > > Regards.
> > > Mike Kirda
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In Indoor_Construction_at_yahoogroups.com, Nick Ray <lasray_at_> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I think the ease of construction has a great deal to do with the
> > > materials
> > > > involved. A Brown / Kagan style hub is well within the range of average
> > > > indoorist. Most of the materials can ordered from A2Zcorp or even
> > > scavenged
> > > > locally. However, composite hubs like Treger, Tyson and Sandborn have
> > > built
> > > > require substantially more involved manufacturing processes.
> > > > All three use formed fiberglass tubes and carbon layup screw holders. The
> > > > vacuum bagging process alone is cost prohibitive for many people. One has
> > > > to make 6 or 7 composite hubs to break even when compared to the cost of
> > > > buying them from Treger. Maybe someone would like to produce V/P kits
> > > where
> > > > the base components are formed and then sent out with assembly
> > > > instructions.
> > > >
> > > > If F1D keeps moving in the direction of using more and more composite
> > > > technology we are going to be in the same situation as F1B within the
> > > next
> > > > ten years. I am for not placing materials restrictions on the models, but
> > > > at the same time I think that for many competitors, particularly juniors
> > > we
> > > > may have to decide how we would like to go forward with regard to the BOM
> > > > as the models become more intricate.
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > >
> > > > Nick
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
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