Re: Re: Beginner events and why they're hard for beginn...
To all,
I guess it's time to put my thoughts here now. The discourse of
beginners, etc will always be there. What one has to face is there really is a
group of dedicated flyers that are REALLY dedicated to Indoor.
But, there are a lot of fringe flyers...myself included, that fly indoor
for the fun and the awe that it provides. Knowing this, I still go to the
events where I can and talk to the Kang Lee's and Bill Gowen's and pick their
brains. To be honest...I don't build an indoor model but ever six or 9
months. I fly outdoor FF during the summer and indoor in the winter. Indoor
is not my primary focus, but I really think it's great.
I have some better than average skills so I'm not intimidated by
indoor...it's just that I ask myself the question of how much time do I want to
spend on trying to get a quarter gram EZB? If you are "new" to this and do not
have any building skills...it is daunting. I have yet to come across
someone who is telling me "Gee! this is great! How can I spend most of my free
time doing this?"
The question always seems to revolve around EZB...is it mis-named? Of
course it is. A6 is the replacement of EZB because of that. When ever there
is a flying event, there is always some open ended rule or one that is
missing. I struggle with this all the time. Outdoor FF has some rules that
have gone amuck...."AMA Classic Gas" is one. It is way beyond the intent or
flavor of the intended event. What is the "flavor" of the event and the
rules that govern it? why did the rules not satisfy the intent?
In a perfect world, EZB should have had rules that govern stick size or min
weight. F1L does and that is probably why it is the popular event it
is...it is achievable by the average modeler. Yup, Kang's achievement is
incredible, but not to be considered "Easy." I, again, am in awe of it.
Back to the issue....beginners thrive in their ability to learn and
compete in events that are achievable...forget EZB without some massive rules
change. It's an 18" open unlimited event. Perhaps there should be "novice"
EZB with 1/16" sticks for LE's and TE's ala A6 with some minimum weight, but
I would think renaming the current event and it's rules would be better.
When I go to events and the spectators see what the bar is...they just shy
away. We here in Colorado don't try to impress them with a half gram
model...we want to get them flying ASAP and the way we do it is hand them a
model that they think they could build and fly in competition and be successful
at. That's where you start.
Having a few P-24's laying around doesn't hurt. Then if one gets excited
about indoor flying...there is a goal...but you have to get the spark lit.
For the many interested folks out there...there is a huge leap from
attending and competing...and a bigger one from flying a P-24 to building a half
gram EZB...it's more than a spark...it's an igniter that's needed.
JMHO - Rick
Rick Pangell
Editor of "The Max-Out" Newsletter of
The Magnificent Mountain Men FF Club of Colorado
In a message dated 9/7/2012 6:56:35 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time,
ykleetx_at_gmail.com writes:
Bill, and others,
I talk and work with a lot of beginners at our club's flying sessions, and
I understand a lot of the issues that a beginner faces. My experience as
a beginner is different from most of the fliers that I meet, but I can see
clearly what's going on with them. In time, I can discuss the beginner
difficulties that I see.
-Kang
--- In Indoor_Construction_at_yahoogroups.com, Bill Carney <wcarneyjx_at_...>
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progressed to an expert level. Yours in not the typical experience.
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> You talk about density and stiffness of motor sticks etc. The averag e
beginner, the person we need to attract, doesn't yet understand these con
cepts in a practical way  let alone need to be told not to worry about them
as a beginner.
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have some experts encourage him/her, not come right behind themn and
triple their flight time.
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> The scenario has happened over and over again. A beg inner event is
introduced and within a year the designs are so perfected and the trimming so
perfect that no beginner ever wins the event again.
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> I think the current events are fine. I would just like to see a beginner
event tha t stays a beginner event.
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> Bill Carney
> That Florida Indoor Guy
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> From: "Yuan Kang Lee" <ykleetx_at_...>
> To: "Indoor Construction" <Indoor_Construction_at_yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Friday, September 7, 2012 1:43:27 PM
> Subject: [Indoor_Construction] Re: Beginner events and why they're hard
for beginners
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> The first thing I discovered when I started flying F1D is that a F1D is
a lot easier to launch than the "beginner" models I fly. I have spent a lot
of time on EZB, F1L, and Limited Pennyplane (LPP). Raise your hand if you
have had your EZB or F1L dive on launch because the motor stick was too
flexible? (Both mine are raised.)
> In an ironic way, we have made our beginner models harder to fly than
F1D. Of course, we know one reason -- a solid wood motor stick is easy to
build but it generally does not work well under high torque and tension of the
rubber motor.
> Bracing a solid motor stick is relatively easy to do, whether using wood
bracing or thread. Bracing substantially increases the performance of the
motor stick. Not only will this help to make these beginner models launch
better, allowing bracing means the quality of the solid motor stick does not
have to be as good. Hobby shop balsa can be used. A lighter MS can be
used, and the weight budget can be used elsewhere. These all greatly lower the
barrier of entry for the beginner -- YET, these effects increases the
performance of the model for the beginner. You don't usually find these
"win-win" scenarios.
> -Kang
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