Re: Re: Beginner events and why they're hard for beginners

From: William Gowen <wdgowen_at_gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 07 Sep 2012 17:22:23 -0400

I agree.

On 9/7/2012 5:21 PM, Warthodson_at_aol.com wrote:
>
> Bill,
> I do not see anything in the A6 rules that prohibits bracing. If it is
> in not prohibited, then it is legal. I think the rules are very clear,
> at least on this issue.
> Gary
> -----Original Message-----
> From: William Gowen <wdgowen.com>
> To: Indoor_Construction <Indoor_Construction_at_yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Fri, Sep 7, 2012 4:01 pm
> Subject: Re: [Indoor_Construction] Re: Beginner events and why they're
> hard for beginners
>
> Gary
> Your question is a reminder of why rules sometimes need to be more
> detailed than a few sentences that originated from a local club event.
>
>
> On 9/7/2012 4:52 PM, Warthodson_at_aol.com wrote:
>> Going from memory, I do not recall anything that would prohibit
>> bracing an A6 motor stick with thread. As a side question, if the
>> rules require a solid motor stick, does that prohibit a motor stick
>> constructed from three solid strips of wood glued together to form a
>> "H" beam?
>> Thanks,
>> Gary Hodson
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Yuan Kang Lee <ykleetx_at_gmail.com>
>> To: Indoor_Construction <Indoor_Construction_at_yahoogroups.com>
>> Sent: Fri, Sep 7, 2012 12:10 pm
>> Subject: [Indoor_Construction] Re: Beginner events and why they're
>> hard for beginners
>>
>> Bill (Carney),
>>
>> First, LPP, F1L, and A6 are already successful events. What Bill
>> Gowen and I are suggesting is a way to make these model events easier
>> to build and fly. It is actually a way to lower the barrier of entry.
>>
>> This proposal cannot bridge the gap between experts and beginners.
>> That gap is narrowed only through experience, experimentation, and
>> skill. This proposal, however, can make some of these classes even
>> more accessible, which I hope means more enjoyment.
>>
>> I had a really hard time making my EZB fly last weekend because of
>> excessive bowing of the motor stick. I understand why beginners and
>> intermediates do not want to fly a 0.5 g EZB. But if MS bracing is
>> allowed, the 0.5g EZB becomes a much tamer pet.
>>
>> -Kang
>>
>> --- In Indoor_Construction_at_yahoogroups.com
>> <mailto:Indoor_Construction%40yahoogroups.com>, Bill Carney
>> <wcarneyjx_at_...> wrote:
>> >
>> > IMHO The way to make Beginner events successful is to prohibit
>> Experts from flying them. Simpl e rule, if you fly the beginner event
>> you don't fly any others.
>> >
>> >
>> > Bill Carney
>> > That Florida Indoor Guy
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "olbill61" <wdgowen_at_...>
>> > To: "Indoor Construction" <Indoor_Construction_at_yahoogroups.com
>> <mailto:Indoor_Construction%40yahoogroups.com>>
>> > Sent: Friday, September 7, 2012 12:43:10 PM
>> > Subject: [Indoor_Construction] Beginner events and why they're hard
>> for beginners
>> >
>> > Â
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > I may be stepping on Kang's toes a little here but he and I had
>> almost the exact same thought about a way to make beginner events
>> easier. Since I thought of it yesterday I'm adopting it as my idea.
>> > The rules for LPP, F1L, EZB and A6 say the MS has to be solid wood
>> and in different ways and to different extents pretty much rule out
>> any sort of bracing. Making a MS work correctly and not weigh too
>> much is one of the hardest parts of building any of these models.
>> It's a part of building that requires the most care in wood selection
>> and building experience. It's probably one of the main reasons why
>> experienced flyers have such an edge in these events.
>> > So this may be blasphemy but why not pick one or two of these
>> events and say that the MS still has to be solid wood but you can
>> brace it. The bracing could be limited to thread or wood or you could
>> just leave it open for people to experiment with.
>> > The people who have successfully conquered the MS problem wouldn't
>> have to change anything and would probably still win but the
>> beginning flyers would have a much better chance of building a
>> flyable model to the minimum weight.
>> > I've seen a few beginning indoor flyers who have spent a lot of
>> time building a model but just get really demoralized when they
>> couldn't make it fly. Having this type of experience is not good for
>> keeping people interested.
>> >
>>
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