Re: Re: Beginner events and why they're hard for beginners

From: William Gowen <wdgowen_at_gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 07 Sep 2012 17:00:55 -0400

Gary
Your question is a reminder of why rules sometimes need to be more
detailed than a few sentences that originated from a local club event.


On 9/7/2012 4:52 PM, Warthodson_at_aol.com wrote:
>
> Going from memory, I do not recall anything that would prohibit
> bracing an A6 motor stick with thread. As a side question, if the
> rules require a solid motor stick, does that prohibit a motor stick
> constructed from three solid strips of wood glued together to form a
> "H" beam?
> Thanks,
> Gary Hodson
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Yuan Kang Lee <ykleetx_at_gmail.com>
> To: Indoor_Construction <Indoor_Construction_at_yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Fri, Sep 7, 2012 12:10 pm
> Subject: [Indoor_Construction] Re: Beginner events and why they're
> hard for beginners
>
> Bill (Carney),
>
> First, LPP, F1L, and A6 are already successful events. What Bill Gowen
> and I are suggesting is a way to make these model events easier to
> build and fly. It is actually a way to lower the barrier of entry.
>
> This proposal cannot bridge the gap between experts and beginners.
> That gap is narrowed only through experience, experimentation, and
> skill. This proposal, however, can make some of these classes even
> more accessible, which I hope means more enjoyment.
>
> I had a really hard time making my EZB fly last weekend because of
> excessive bowing of the motor stick. I understand why beginners and
> intermediates do not want to fly a 0.5 g EZB. But if MS bracing is
> allowed, the 0.5g EZB becomes a much tamer pet.
>
> -Kang
>
> --- In Indoor_Construction_at_yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:Indoor_Construction%40yahoogroups.com>, Bill Carney
> <wcarneyjx_at_...> wrote:
> >
> > IMHO The way to make Beginner events successful is to prohibit
> Experts from flying them. Simpl e rule, if you fly the beginner event
> you don't fly any others.
> >
> >
> > Bill Carney
> > That Florida Indoor Guy
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "olbill61" <wdgowen_at_...>
> > To: "Indoor Construction" <Indoor_Construction_at_yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:Indoor_Construction%40yahoogroups.com>>
> > Sent: Friday, September 7, 2012 12:43:10 PM
> > Subject: [Indoor_Construction] Beginner events and why they're hard
> for beginners
> >
> > Â
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > I may be stepping on Kang's toes a little here but he and I had
> almost the exact same thought about a way to make beginner events
> easier. Since I thought of it yesterday I'm adopting it as my idea.
> > The rules for LPP, F1L, EZB and A6 say the MS has to be solid wood
> and in different ways and to different extents pretty much rule out
> any sort of bracing. Making a MS work correctly and not weigh too much
> is one of the hardest parts of building any of these models. It's a
> part of building that requires the most care in wood selection and
> building experience. It's probably one of the main reasons why
> experienced flyers have such an edge in these events.
> > So this may be blasphemy but why not pick one or two of these events
> and say that the MS still has to be solid wood but you can brace it.
> The bracing could be limited to thread or wood or you could just leave
> it open for people to experiment with.
> > The people who have successfully conquered the MS problem wouldn't
> have to change anything and would probably still win but the beginning
> flyers would have a much better chance of building a flyable model to
> the minimum weight.
> > I've seen a few beginning indoor flyers who have spent a lot of time
> building a model but just get really demoralized when they couldn't
> make it fly. Having this type of experience is not good for keeping
> people interested.
> >
>
>
Received on Fri Sep 07 2012 - 14:01:03 CEST