RE: Bostonians and No-Cals
Don,
I understand your positions but what you seems to be unable to understand is
that FAC No-Cal is not an indoor duration event. It is s scale event for
recognizable profile models. Flown indoors No-cals are of course lighter.
The question is how light/slow is reasonable and within the Spirit of FAC.
If you doubt my, ask a dozen FAC guys at random whether they think a 3-gram
No-Cal with a 12" prop is in the spirit of FAC No-Cal. I'll bet you $200 to
the NFFS Junior Team Fund that a majority will agree with me that it is most
certainly not. Will you take that bet?
Keep flying F1Ls disguised as No-Cals all you want. But I really think every
time you do it you are whittling away at the very spirit of the event and
the competitive spirit of your fellow flyers. If you sleep well knowing
that, then, nighty-night.
Sincerely, appreciate the debate,
DD
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From: Indoor_Construction_at_yahoogroups.com
[mailto:Indoor_Construction_at_yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Don Slusarczyk
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2012 9:44 PM
To: Indoor_Construction_at_yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Indoor_Construction] Bostonians and No-Cals
You summarized my thesis as "the validity of ones hobby is based purely on
paid memberships". I did not say that.
Not directly but here is how I inferred it. You originally posted:
"With due respect if you and Don can't see the absurdity of a 12" prop on a
16" span scale model then I don't know what to say.
FAC ain't for everyone, and it's not perfect either. But around 1800 paid
members seem to agree it's a pretty good thing.
How many of those 1800 are inspired by watching 2 gram no cals flop around
the gym at one-tenth scale speed?"
It is then implied that the 1800 paid members in FAC outweigh the two of us,
so you have 1800 on your side, we are only two. Then you comment on how a 2
gram nocal is essentially unimpressive in the last sentence. So therefore
what were are doing is "wrong" as it is not what the 1800 others are doing.
So I then concluded that you placed paid memberships of 1800 people in
higher regard than what we are doing. They are right we are wrong. I then
took that to the next step which was to compare "free flight" as a whole to
RC as whole.
By the way I find the 1/10 scale speed comment interesting, and yes I know
it was tongue in cheek, but for a quick exercise, a Fike or Lacey built to 3
grams will need about 2 grams of rubber to fly so 5 gram in weight, that
calcs out to about 3.42 mph flying speed and the models would be about
~1/20th scale at 16" span so 20*3.42mph ~75 mph which is a reasonable cruise
speed for a homebuilt. My 2 gram Cessna Cardinal with its smaller wing flies
faster at 5.08mph and is 1:26.6 scale so it is flying at 135mph scale speed
and the full size one cruises at 143 mph. So not as far off as one would
think :-)
Obviously there are other factors involved. But membership numbers do tell
an interesting story, don't you think?
All it tells me is how many people participate in the activity. It says
nothing about the validity of the activity. Lots of people play golf but
that does not mean it is a better activity than say a guy with a metal
detector walking a beach.
But let's not make this a contrast between FAC and indoor duration, because
that's a horrible mismatch.
But that is the whole debate isn't it? You treat FAC events flown indoors as
if they are still outdoor events. They are not, when flown inside they are
now indoor duration events. You say a 12" prop on an indoor Nocal is absurd
but at an indoor contest 7" span ministicks have 7" props, OPP has 18" span
and 17" props and that is the norm for indoor. So to an indoor guy that is
normal, we have no thermals to speak of. So when an FAC event that is scored
purely on duration is flown indoors the indoor duration modelers who fly
this event will apply indoor techniques and practices to the event. If you
want nocal to have plastic props and solid motorsticks then get the FAC to
change the rules so the indoor guys will have to fly the same style models
as the outdoor guys do. I have been waiting for that change for years
actually and have been surprised that it has not happened yet as was
recently done to Phantom Flash. (the one piece plastic prop rule reduced
indoor flight times from 4 minutes to about 3 minutes) and if that happens
to nocal, expect contest grade motorsticks and scraped down plastic props
and then he complains will start up all over again :-)
Don S.
Received on Mon Jun 11 2012 - 21:04:58 CEST
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