Re: Bostonians and No-Cals

From: dennisatyson <ddtyson_at_peoplepc.com>
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2012 01:34:06 -0000

I got auto spell checked...emoticon...but emotion works too.
--- In Indoor_Construction_at_yahoogroups.com, "dennisatyson" <ddtyson@...> wrote:
>
> I always assume emotion when it comes to DS ;),
>
>
> --- In Indoor_Construction_at_yahoogroups.com, Don Slusarczyk <don@> wrote:
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> > Bob,
> >
> > > I don’t particularly appreciate your jumping to such an absurd
> > > conclusion. I mentioned dropping the event partly with tongue in cheek
> > > and also because it does appear that the popularity of indoor No-Cal
> > > is possibly waning. But I have no problem if you and the (about) ten
> > > other guys who can (or want to) build very light models want to keep
> > > on battling it out indoors.
> >
> > Guess I did not understand you correctly when you said:
> > "Maybe the event should simply be dropped from indoor competition. "
> >
> > I took that to mean that you feel Nocal should be dropped from indoor
> > competition. Seems like a rational conclusion from the statement you
> > posted. I have no clue if your being serious or not in your suggestion.
> > Perhaps an emoticon would have helped out.
> >
> > > Whoa! Can we slow down a bit here? That’s a lot of “bans,” a word I’ve
> > > never considered using regarding model airplane events, including the
> > > ones you mentioned. In any case,“ban” (your choice of words, not mine)
> > > is a bit severe, don’t you think?
> >
> > Dropped or banned what is the difference really if you can't fly the
> > event, dropping it from indoor is essentially banning it form being
> > flown but that is semantics . Anyhow, it was just an extension of the
> > argument I was laying out based on my interpretation of your original
> > post in regards to dropping Nocal. The point I was getting at was if
> > Nocals fly too long and needs to be dropped as an indoor event , then
> > what about other indoor FAC events that fly too long as well when flown
> > indoors? Should they be dropped as well? Most can't get 2 minutes
> > indoors with a Golden Age scale model but when some guys get 4+ minutes
> > in that event that is OK, that is twice the flight time. But if an
> > "indoor" guy does 7minutes with a Nocal that event is "ruined" as
> > others can only do 5 minutes. So it is OK to fly twice as long in other
> > events except Nocal. Where does it end is what I was getting at but
> > since you were tongue and cheek in your initial comment then my point is
> > moot now.
> >
> > > It was interesting to see you invoke the name of the late, great Jack
> > > McGillivray. What does he have to do with a discussion of suggested
> > > changes in the No-Cal rules? And what “double standard” are you
> > > talking about?
> > >
> >
> > The reason I mention Jack is he is the person I knew the longest in
> > regards to FAC events, met him when I was about 12 years old, and he was
> > the biggest influence on me personally in regards to indoor scale flying
> > as he was able to make indoor scale models light, fly long and get lots
> > of scale points and that appealed to me. The double standard I am
> > referring to when certain FAC guys like Jack for example (as I knew him
> > the best) would make a 1.5 gram Cessna Cardinal Nocal, or 5 gram peanut
> > scale models, or use gear boxes to get longer flight times, and that was
> > all OK and in the spirit of FAC when he did it. But when the rest of the
> > indoor duration guys pickup on what was being done, then they were
> > somehow ruining the events with their competitive drive, etc. Jack was
> > very innovating in adapting FAC events to indoor techniques as well as
> > Ken Groves (laminating tissue layers together to get rid of bulkheads
> > and stringer etc, talk about skills needed to make molds etc). Jack is
> > the one who told me how to fudge the wings on nocals so I find it funny
> > when I now mention the fudging of nocal parts people are appalled by it
> > but it has been going on for 20+ years and by big time FAC modelers.
> > Gorden Roberts had a plan for a Spirfitre Nocal that had a triangular
> > hollow motor stock. That was OK he was a FAC great, but an indoor guys
> > rolls a hollow tube for a motorstick and they ruin the event with
> > special indoor skills. That is what I was getting at. Don't know else
> > how to explain it.
> >
> > Don S.
> >
>
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