RE: Re: Help requested by beginning A6 fliers
Sorry, forgot to include the A-6 poll results, here they are again.
DD
Yes to 50% stab area limit - 47 (71%)
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No to 50% stab area limit - 19 (29%)
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Don DeLoach
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From: Indoor_Construction_at_yahoogroups.com
[mailto:Indoor_Construction_at_yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Don DeLoach
Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 4:50 PM
To: Indoor_Construction_at_yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Indoor_Construction] Re: Help requested by beginning A6 fliers
Gary is correct. Bill Gowen's A-6 design is not illegal, nor has it ever
been. The very vaguely written AMA A-6 rules say nothing about stab area.
Some background: The A-6 rules as originally presented to the Indoor Contest
Board in 2010 were very carefully written to outlaw gadgets and set the stab
limit at 50% based on some careful polling that I did seeing where flyers
stood on the issue. The polling revealed that 71% percent preferred the 50%
stab limit, so the mandate was clear and the proposal was submitted and
voted on. After initially supporting this proposal the ICB changed their
tune and contravened the wishes of the 71%, voting 10-1 in favor of the old,
loopholed A-6 rules. So now we have an official AMA A-6 rules where:
--biplanes are legal
--tandems are legal
--VP props are legal
An interesting sidenote: the District V Indoor Contest Board Rep is none
other than Bill Gowen! Bill was the only member of the board to stay
consistent in his voting against tandems, so don't blame him for this
debacle. The blame rests with the other 10 members of the Contest Board who
chickened out and went back to the old, loopholed A-6 rules
The A-6 rules need a major rewrite, or the event may go the way of Easy B. I
hope I'm wrong.
Don DeLoach
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From: Indoor_Construction_at_yahoogroups.com
[mailto:Indoor_Construction_at_yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Warthodson_at_aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 2:47 PM
To: Indoor_Construction_at_yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Indoor_Construction] Re: Help requested by beginning A6 fliers
The A6 rules that were adopted by the AMA did not in any material way change
the previously existing A6 rules as flown at the USIC for any years. Bill's
plane was legal before & it is still legal. If you are referring to some
local set of rules then that maybe a different story.
Gary
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From: Bruce Mccrory <brucemccrory_at_ymail.com>
To: Indoor_Construction <Indoor_Construction_at_yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tue, Feb 7, 2012 2:57 pm
Subject: [Indoor_Construction] Re: Help requested by beginning A6 fliers
Mike, to echo Gary, 5 minutes is a very good duration time for A6. And, as
far as a 10-minutes goal is concerned, my goal is 11-minutes, and has been
for several years. I know these little beasts can do that time.
I am not familiar with "Een Voudige Zes". However, the translation of A6
into the AMA 2011-2012 rules has changed the design and building potential
of this model significantly.
You should try to look for plans created after 2007. Bill Gowen, and Gary
both have competitive models. I want to say that their mastery of
propeller/motor combinations is the defining difference in duration.
However, from what I find, Bill has taken advantage of the new rules for A6
and has discussed his model on this and other forums. I have found good
information (and added my own observations) on Hip Pocket Builder's Forum.
Good flying,
Bruce in Seattle
--- In Indoor_Construction_at_yahoogroups.com
<mailto:Indoor_Construction%40yahoogroups.com> , "michaelguth"
<michaelguth_at_...> wrote:
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> My son and I fly with the DC Maxecuters. We built an A6 Eenvoudige Zes
> and have flown it at our contests at the National Building Museum in
Washington D.C., Cole Field House at the University of Maryland, and under a
47 foot ceiling at a community college.
>
> We are getting flights in the 5 minute and 30 second range. We are using
.048 rubber, about a 12 inch loop, carrying 2500 winds.
>
> We wondered what we should look at next to try to get to the seven minute
mark. Our props are oval, and we have them centered on the spar. We have
been set at 45 degrees. Would going to 60 degrees get us more efficiency and
longer times?
>
> Any help would be appreciated. We dream of the 10 minute flight.
>
> Mike Guth
>
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