Re: Indoor Flying in Racine, WI

From: John Kagan <john_kagan_at_hotmail.com>
Date: Sun, 05 Feb 2012 06:54:51 -0000

Welcome, Jeff. It's great to have another Indoor legend on the board. I'm happy to hear you are flying again.

I'll see you at Johnson City, TN, if not before.

--- In Indoor_Construction_at_yahoogroups.com, "jannis1indoor" <jannis1indoor@...> wrote:
>
> Last week I was flying indoor with LeRoy Cordes at the Racine Site and he had told me about the indoor construction group on yahoo. Today I setup a yahoo account and now am a member of the indoor construction group. Found many interesting posts on this site as I was reading though some of them this afternoon. I am a semi-retired mechanical engineer and retired from Rockwell Automation last March after working in the career for 36 years. Now am doing some part-time consulting work for Rockwell Automation 3 days a week. My interest in indoor goes back about 45 years ago when I was in junior high building Easy B and some crude Microfilm models. Now getting back into the hobby after a lapse of about 26 years. Many of my models have been stored in my work shop for more than 30 years. I am in the process of repairing and flying some of those models at the Racine site. I first started designing and experimenting the variable pitch props when I was a senior in high school 1971-1972. The first articles on my designs were published in the indoor news and views around about 1973. A more comprehensive article on the variable pitch prop was published in the 1975 symposium. The variable pitch props do a great job in controlling the burst and will give a great cruise when the prop rotates to a lower pitch setting. Over the years I have followed many refinements to my original design concept and many have had great success using these types of props. In the future I plan on doing more indoor sport flying and plan on attending the Nats this year in Tennesse. Jeff Annis
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> --- In Indoor_Construction_at_yahoogroups.com, "icefishdiced" <icefishdiced@> wrote:
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> > Thanks LeRoy for reminding me. I retitled the videos to give credit to Jeff Annis. My apologies. I remember Jeff saying that he had invented the variable pitch prop that's on the model in the video!
> >
> > --- In Indoor_Construction_at_yahoogroups.com, LeRoy C Cordes <lcordes@> wrote:
> > >
> > > I'll mention it to him Wednesday if he's at Racine.
> > >
> > > LeRoy Cordes YOLO
> > > Chicago, Illinois
> > > AMA 16974
> > > In God We Trust
> > >
> > > On Thu, 26 Jan 2012 21:39:19 -0000 "Yuan Kang Lee" <ykleetx_at_>
> > > writes:
> > > > That's very interesting to hear. Can you contact him to join the
> > > > Yahoo! Indoor group?
> > > >
> > > > --- In Indoor_Construction_at_yahoogroups.com, LeRoy C Cordes
> > > > <lcordes_at_> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Kang, I know I replied to this before but I just confirmed that
> > > > the flyer
> > > > > you asked about in the video was Jeff Annis who Ray Harlan
> > > > recently
> > > > > attributed the pioneering work on the VP for indoors. I knew he
> > > > was a
> > > > > recent returnee to indoor but didn't know about his credentials
> > > > other
> > > > > than his beautiful planes.
> > > > >
> > > > > This is the excerpt from Ray Harlan's email:
> > > > > "The earliest concept of a VP for indoors that I know of is on p.
> > > > 74 of
> > > > > the '37 Zaic yearbook (same page as the torque burner). It is by R
> > > > Hammer
> > > > > and uses a compression spring and bent wires through the prop hub
> > > > to
> > > > > effect what looks to be decreased pitch with increased motor
> > > > tension.
> > > > > Perhaps Zaic didn't draw it correctly.
> > > > >
> > > > > However, the real pioneer of workable VP props was Jeff Annis. He
> > > > > puplished the paper "Torque Variable-Pitch Propeller" in the 1975
> > > > NFFS
> > > > > Symposium. It shows a mechanically workable design employing the
> > > > torsion
> > > > > spring characteristics of the prop shaft. He had tested it prior
> > > > to
> > > > > publication and had found 15-30% better duration over a flaring
> > > > prop in
> > > > > low ceilings.
> > > > >
> > > > > It took quite a while to lead to better designs of the VP prop.
> > > > The Brits
> > > > > tried at the '80 WCh, using essentially the Annis design, but
> > > > couldn't
> > > > > get it working well (see Aug. '82 INAV). Jim Richmond introduced
> > > > his VD
> > > > > prop in'84 in Chicago and used it at the '84 WCh where he won the
> > > > contest
> > > > > with it. After a flurry of activity with VD props, only two fliers
> > > > were
> > > > > successful with them - Jim Richmond and Rich Doig. Attention
> > > > returned to
> > > > > VPs. Ron Higgs tried one with a spiral spring in '85 and set a Cat
> > > > I
> > > > > world record. At this point my collection of INAV is a bit thin. In
> > > > Dec
> > > > > '90 Bob Randolph set a Cat I record with a VP prop that looks much
> > > > like
> > > > > the classic Banks/Brown design. The prop doesn't use a preload
> > > > adjust
> > > > > screw, just a high limit screw (May '91 INAV). I don't know who
> > > > was
> > > > > first. I thought it was Cezar Banks who finally developed a
> > > > compact wound
> > > > > torsion spring design. Steve Brown made the technology accessible
> > > > with
> > > > > his excellent article on how to build a VP in the Oct '96 issue of
> > > > INAV.
> > > > > The current VP designs are only small variants of this design."
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Thu, 19 Jan 2012 19:48:03 -0000 "Yuan Kang Lee" <ykleetx_at_>
> > > > > writes:
> > > > > > Nice to see more F1D's flying. May I ask who were the F1D
> > > > fliers?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -Kang
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In Indoor_Construction_at_yahoogroups.com, "icefishdiced"
> > > > > > <icefishdiced_at_> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Here are the videos I took in December
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NssKBs1d8rY
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