RE: Re: SO Helicopter

From: Jerry Murphy <jb_murphy_at_msn.com>
Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 16:54:23 -0600

In about 1962 or so, we were flying an indoor contest in the NAS Dallas Drill Hall (some of you might remember it from the Navy Nats held at NAS Dallas).
I was flying a helicopter that had the top rotor driven by a rubber motor and the bottom rotor driven by the torque of the top rotor. There was a peg protruding from the top rotor so that the model could reach the ceiling and keep the top rotor clear. At that time I was the AMA senior national record holder and was trying to up the record. My timer was the late Bud Tenny. I launched the model and it climbed briskly to the top of the building and the peg engaged the ceiling and the flight was going according to plan. After a few minutes the top rotor ceased turning and at point in time my timer declared the model to be hung up. Thinking quickly I told Bud, no it isn't hung up the thrust of the bottom rotor is keeping it up there. He protested but kept the watch running. I was hoping for a gust of wind to come along and knock it down as I knew it was hung up, but if I could convince Bud it was flying I could have a super record. Well, the wind never came and as the motor ran down it was clear to all the model was hung up. It took several taps with a balloon to get it down. Bud had made the right call and frankly, I don't know what I would have done if the model had fallen free. I suspect i would have not applied for the record as it was obvious upon examination of the model that it had been captured by a cobweb. Any protest would have not ruled in my favor. In fact I was simply pulling Bud's leg. We still get a good laugh about this story after all these years.
 
In Bill's case, he has called it correctly.

Jerry Murphy
9 Via Escondido Valle
Manitou Springs, CO 80829
719-685-3766



 


From: ddeloach_at_comcast.net
To: Indoor_Construction_at_yahoogroups.com
CC: jb_murphy_at_msn.com
Subject: RE: [Indoor_Construction] Re: SO Helicopter
Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 13:49:52 -0600










I agree with Bill. This rule loophole needs to be closed if it isn’t already.
 
To muddy the waters further, there is a precedent in AMA Helicopter, going back 45+ years. I’ll now ask Jerry Murphy (now Chairman of the FF Contest Board) to weigh in.
 

Don DeLoach
Editor, NFFS Free Flight Digest
 




From: Indoor_Construction_at_yahoogroups.com [mailto:Indoor_Construction_at_yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of William Gowen
Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2011 1:43 PM
To: Indoor_Construction_at_yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Indoor_Construction] Re: SO Helicopter
 
  



My understanding is that in the 2 state finals I'm familiar with the top rotor locked into either a ceiling tile or a light fixture.
The copter then stayed there until the torque dropped enough for it to fall free.

The kid I was helping had his copter hang the top rotor on a practice flight. It took over 10 minutes for the bottom rotor to stop. In his case the copter didn't fall so it wouldn't have been a legal flight (I guess).

So I don't think we're talking about an aerodynamic phenomena. The copter is being supported by the ceiling - not by the thrust from the bottom rotor.

On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 3:34 PM, Jeff <janderson_at_twmi.rr.com> wrote:

                                                 
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